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Old 01-23-2014, 01:05 PM
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Clever Voting Tactic Or Political Suicide?

So, I got together with a few friends and we were talking about voting and our different opinions (never a good topic even amongst friends) and an interesting question came up..

Our main 3 parties (in the UK) are Conservative, Labour & Liberal Democrats, bit a political group that seems to be growing from strength to strength are called UKIP - (UK Independence Party) and they are a right-wing party and have some interesting views...Let's take UKIP's immigration stance for example:
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The party has previously outlined a number of measures designed to reduce immigration into the UK which include a five-year "freeze" on immigration for permanent settlement, the introduction of a points-based work-permit system and initiating a drive to remove illegal immigrants. In addition, UKIP proposes to allow EU citizens who have been domiciled in the UK for seven years to apply for citizenship.
A lot of Brits like UKIP's immigration stance and would like their own parties to adopt this stance also.

What seems to be happening is that as more and more people are voting for UKIP, the Conservatives (and Lib Dems) that are currently in power seem to be noticing the winds of change and suggestions have been made that they may adopt a diluted stance on some of UKIP's policies.

My question is this... Is it wise to cast your vote on a rival (and right wing) party because you know that if enough people do then this will twist the arm of the party in power to adopt some of their rivals tactics and make the country a better place, or is this just political suicide?

I'm curious, would you adopt this tactic or not a chance in hell?
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Old 01-23-2014, 01:45 PM
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I am a hard core believer that elections have consequences. As such I would never risk voting for something in which I did not believe. So tally me in the "not a chance in hell" category.

If enough people vote in a given direction policies change.

I am waiting with uncontrollable glee for the the pigeon to come home to roost on our current administration.
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Old 01-23-2014, 03:31 PM
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I hear you dude.

I was just curious as to what one does when your party holds specific policies that you just disagree on. As you know, it is very difficult to get ones party to change specifics within their policies unless they feel like they are pushed into a corner. (parties have too many spin doctors within them to blow smoke clouds and hide specific issues)

The reason this happened in the UK is because it was a good way to make the Conservatives sit up and listen and I am sure that the people that did it will vote for the Conservatives again now that they have been (ahem) forced to listen to the people + obviously they want to stay in power
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I hear you dude.

I was just curious as to what one does when your party holds specific policies that you just disagree on.
Actually mine does. More than one.

We partially solved that on this side of the pond with "Tea Party" candidates who wind up running on a major ticket or major party candidates at least getting an endorsement from the the TP.

Mind you I don't agree with the full party line of any party and I suspect that is your situation. Parties are a fact of life and all one can do is pick the lessor of the evils.

One person in Parliament or Washington can accomplish nothing. They are at best symbolic. One dedicated person can over time start a trend.

The parties do spend a lot of time "dividing the electorate" so they fail to realize that they can in fact effect any change they want when they unite.
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The UK elections (excluding the devolved parliaments) use an antiquated FPP (first past the post) system that is highly prone to vote splitting and vote wastage. If the UK parliament were to be elected using a proportional system (such as MMP), such a voting tactic wouldn't be political suicide. New Zealand changed from FPP to MMP, so why can't the UK?
 
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