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Old 04-08-2014, 06:38 AM
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Zap, this guys self-sufficient. You can find this guys in Forbes magazine.
Therefore, the people and made a revolution.
 
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Old 04-08-2014, 08:02 AM
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Zap, this guys self-sufficient. You can find this guys in Forbes magazine.
Therefore, the people and made a revolution.
I think Ukraine has issues that they need to work out themselves.
They don't need us telling them what to do and they certainly don't need us trying to control their government.
And if my government insists on sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, I don't want to be forced to pay for it.
 
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Old 04-08-2014, 10:55 AM
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I think Ukraine has issues that they need to work out themselves.
They don't need us telling them what to do and they certainly don't need us trying to control their government.
And if my government insists on sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, I don't want to be forced to pay for it.
You're right. But the general goal of USA government is control of Ukraine because they need control Russia. Right now Russia military forces can`t repair of Ship, Tanks, Air forces. Because is factory placed in Ukraine. Also there is some other important points for control Russia. In general right now USA create new small USA near Russia borders. Well and Russia resists the saboteurs.
 
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Old 04-08-2014, 03:45 PM
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:06 PM
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Washington has ZERO credibility.

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And many around the world see that.

Apart from the blatant hypocrisy from the US, they are now thinking about arming the Ukranian government.
What response do you suppose this will require of Russia?
 
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Old 04-16-2014, 05:33 AM
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Personally, my opinion is that the US is a little afraid of what could ensue here as they are pretty thinly spread out within other countries so they are stirring the hornets nest and hoping to force Russia with more and more sanctions.

The Ukraine actually want the UN help but from what I am hearing, what they don't want is US/Euro ground troops in there for political reasons.

With so many nations hating the west, we are all walking on very thin ice with this situation and it just takes China, Iran or someone else to rock the boat whilst we are picking on Russia and we would have created a situation that is 100 times worse than if we just left it be.

We (the West) never learn to keep our nose out of other countries issues do we.
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Old 04-16-2014, 06:39 AM
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If we're going to be stealing and spending the money anyway, why not spend it on the people it was stolen from?

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Old 04-16-2014, 09:04 AM
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Ukraine sent a bunch of tanks to get rid of the protesters who are occupying government buildings.
The men from 6 of those tanks have defected to the pro-Russian side and taken the tanks with them.

I guess we're going to have to pay for those with our tax dollars too?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...t-ukraine-city
 
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I'm not saying Russia shouldn't be held liable for their actions, but somebody has to put their ego to one side here before everyone starts pointing weapons of mass destruction at each other. It can't always just be about justice (or money) when nuclear weapons are in play.
 
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:56 AM
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...alate-tensions

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Having previously called Russia a "good neighbor, good partner, and good friend," it seems increasingly clear that the West faces not just Russia but China too as it brings more sanctions to bear. As The BRICS Post reports, Beijing announced its support for a beleaguered Moscow, calling on all parties to resolve the crisis, and warning that they "believe that sanctions are inconducive to the solution of problems. On the contrary, they will escalate tensions."
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It is not in line with any side’s interests to impose sanctions, he added. “We call on all parties concerned to continue dialogue and negotiations so to resolve the crisis in a political way.”
 
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Old 04-30-2014, 07:56 AM
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The G-8 may be no more as the G-7 throws every possible case of harsh language known to man at the Kremlin, which obstinately refuses to back down, while re-escalating sanctions against a Russia which merely has done what the US does every single time its national interest abroad is threatened, but one thing is becoming ever clearer: while the west isolates Russia with ever stricter measures, Russia has decided to make some new friends.
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If nothing else, at least it shows just how seriously the rest of the world (away from those G-7 members who are as insolvent as the US of course) is taking US sanctions and threats of retaliation.
 
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Old 04-30-2014, 01:50 PM
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If Russia manage to secure proper ties with China, Iran, Qatar etc and other nations can see this, then we will definitely get the Koreans and many others that hate the west, creep out of the woodwork.

We (the west) will put Russia in a real financially damaging loop and take ourselves down with it.

Been saying this all along, we are going to cause more damage doing this than if we just stayed out and if we play our cards wrong on this one, we are going to get our backsides handed to us on a plate. I don't know why the UK and USA can't see this.
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Old 05-02-2014, 05:32 PM
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The media spin doctors in the news and online being what they are, it is difficult to know what is truth and what is lies. That is why I live by this....
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Apparently not. I am so tired of paying for wars and watching people die for the sake of political egos.
me too....why we cant live in tolerance community , help each others
 
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:02 AM
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One man's opinion...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...-craig-roberts

"Washington Intends Russia’s Demise" Warns Paul Craig Roberts


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Washington has no intention of allowing the crisis in Ukraine to be resolved. Having failed to seize the country and evict Russia from its Black Sea naval base, Washington sees new opportunities in the crisis.

One is to restart the Cold War by forcing the Russian government to occupy the Russian-speaking areas of present day Ukraine where protesters are objecting to the stooge anti-Russian government installed in Kiev by the American coup. These areas of Ukraine are former constituent parts of Russia herself. They were attached to Ukraine by Soviet leaders in the 20th century when both Ukraine and Russia were part of the same country, the USSR.

Essentially, the protesters have established independent governments in the cities. The police and military units sent to suppress the protesters, called “terrorists” in the American fashion, for the most part have until now defected to the protesters.
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The Russian government is in a predicament. Moscow does not want financial responsibility for these territories but cannot stand aside and permit Russians to be put down by force. The Russian government has attempted to keep Ukraine intact, relying on the forthcoming elections in Ukraine to bring to office more realistic leaders than the stooges installed by Washington.

However, Washington does not want an election that might replace its stooges and return to cooperating with Russia to resolve the situation. There is a good chance that Washington will tell its stooges in Kiev to declare that the crisis brought to Ukraine by Russia prevents an election. Washington’s NATO puppet states would back up this claim.

It is almost certain that despite the Russian government’s hopes, the Russian government is faced with the continuation of both the crisis and Washington puppet government in Ukraine.
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Old 05-12-2014, 03:45 PM
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It's disgusting what were funding and doing over in the Ukraine.

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I know there are some here who support this crap. Pitiful.
 
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Old 05-13-2014, 06:47 AM
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Ron Paul has also weighed in...

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives...n-ukraine.aspx

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In several eastern Ukrainian towns over the past week, the military opened fire on its own citizens. Dozens may have been killed in the violence. Although the US government generally condemns a country’s use of military force against its own population, especially if they are unarmed protesters, this time the US administration blamed the victims. After as many as 20 unarmed protesters were killed on the May 9th holiday in Ukraine, the State Department spokesman said “we condemn the outbreak of violence caused by pro-Russia separatists.”

Why are people protesting in eastern Ukraine? Because they do not believe the government that came to power after the US-backed uprising in February is legitimate. They do not recognize the authority of an unelected president and prime minister. The US sees this as a Russian-sponsored destabilization effort, but is it so hard to understand that the people in Ukraine may be annoyed with the US and EU for their involvement in regime change in their country? Would we be so willing to accept an unelected government in Washington put in place with the backing of the Chinese and Iranians?

The US State Department provided much assistance earlier this year to those involved in the effort to overthrow the Ukrainian government. The US warned the Ukrainian government at the time not to take any action against those in the streets, even as they engaged in violence and occupied government buildings. But now that those former protesters have come to power, the US takes a different view of protest. Now they give full support to the bloody crackdown against protesters in the east. The State Department spokesperson said last week: “We continue to call for groups who have jeopardized public order by taking up arms and seizing public buildings in violation of Ukrainian law to disarm and leave the buildings they have seized.” This is the opposite of what they said in February. Do they think the rest of the world does not see this hypocrisy?
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In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia

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Every year the American historian William Blum publishes his "updated summary of the record of US foreign policy" which shows that, since 1945, the US has tried to overthrow more than 50 governments.
An interesting article posted on The Guardian.
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In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia

An interesting article posted on The Guardian.
That is a very good article and one that I actually agree with.

The problem the US has is that for many years it harboured terrorists against it's own allies. Not only did it harbour them but it even allowed them to make money so that the terrorists could carry on their atrocities.

How does one believe anything the US government feeds its people after doing something like that? 9/11 changed this (to a degree)...
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If we're going to be stealing and spending the money anyway, why not spend it on the people it was stolen from?

I love this one Zap
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