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09-12-2006, 10:13 AM
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Should Be Illegal.....
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09-12-2006, 10:40 AM
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#102 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by KenMendonca
I don't want to sound all religious right here, but moral decay is a real thing and it eventually leads to the fall of a civilazation. No way around it.
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The bible is not negative at all about prostitution. Rahab "the harlot" was praised in Hebrews 11:31 and Jos 6:17 as an example of faith. Rahab was praised because she helped Israelite spies whom she hid and helped escape but the mention of her as "the harlot" wasn't a negative reference .
In Hosea 1:3, God commanded Hosea to marry a prostitute named Gomez. In Hosea 4:15, God said he would not punish the daughters of Israel when they turned to prostitution.
Muslims have a way around it too, search the word; Sigeh
fact is that prostitution is as old as the world. Fact is that it being 'illegal' does not in the slightest reduces the amount of prostitutes or their clients. Fact is that people do it anyway.
Fact is that by making it "illegal" this only creates busyness opportunities for criminals/maffia-like organisations.
Fact is that prostitution prohibition laws ONLY benefits criminals and creates the grounds for (sexual) slave trade, spreading of VDs, etc.
What is more "moral", creating a criminal circuit or making laws to take control and reduce harm as much as possible?
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09-12-2006, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by KenMendonca
If they legalize it, then they can charge taxes.
Make all the girls have to get a license to Ho.
It's a slippery slope to legalize these things. I don't want to sound all religious right here, but moral decay is a real thing and it eventually leads to the fall of a civilazation. No way around it.
Eventually someone goes to far and the crowd goes along with it and it starts a chain reaction that can't be stopped.
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Basically, I agree. I am sad to report that I am not sad to be near my end, and I think it's due to my perception of this apparent decay.
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09-12-2006, 11:39 AM
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Actually, it seems to me that moral decay has suddenly accelerated with the dawn of digital communication, basically starting with the industrial revolution .. mid 19th century.
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09-12-2006, 12:23 PM
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It was around and the bible does not always speak negativly about it, but if you honestly believe, and I'm not here to try to convince you otherwise, that there is nothing wrong with it. That IS a problem imho.
I'm certainly not going to claim to be pure or anything. I like boobies as much as the next guy.
To be honest, it probably wouldn't be as big as it is if not for ****** and its brothers.
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09-12-2006, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Atom
moral decay has suddenly accelerated with the dawn of digital communication, basically starting with the industrial revolution .. mid 19th century.
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That's the worst situation. No matter how many examples you guys present that is supporting prostitution, prostitution was a crime and it'll keep spreading widely till some people (of course, at the highest level of our society) keep supporting it with some nasty, moral less examples.
Open sex is legal because there is nobody to force you but whenever you talk about prostitution, you should deeply review all the aspects of the soceity before making such decisions that prostitution is legal (if it's liked in any particular county, it can't be legal for the whole world).
Just my
- Avinash
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09-12-2006, 10:26 PM
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The bible is not negative at all about prostitution.
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The Bible doesn't hold either adultery or fornication in high esteem, and prositution can be somewhat fornicating-erous.
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09-12-2006, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by John Scott
LOL
I think that's spelled "john", no?
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lol oh you two are so funny
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Originally Posted by KenMendonca
It's a slippery slope to legalize these things. I don't want to sound all religious right here, but moral decay is a real thing and it eventually leads to the fall of a civilazation. No way around it.
Eventually someone goes to far and the crowd goes along with it and it starts a chain reaction that can't be stopped.
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I agree with you fully here Ken, very sad really.
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Originally Posted by Ferre
The bible is not negative at all about prostitution. Rahab "the harlot" was praised in Hebrews 11:31 and Jos 6:17 as an example of faith. Rahab was praised because she helped Israelite spies whom she hid and helped escape but the mention of her as "the harlot" wasn't a negative reference .
In Hosea 1:3, God commanded Hosea to marry a prostitute named Gomez. In Hosea 4:15, God said he would not punish the daughters of Israel when they turned to prostitution.
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Ferre you really do not know the Bible at all, you may have it on your desk and be able to take verses out of context but you do not know the Bible. Here is a few passages in regards to prostitution and the Bible:
http://www.gotquestions.org/prostitution.html
I do however have to say that I agree with you somewhat here:
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Originally Posted by Ferre
fact is that prostitution is as old as the world. Fact is that it being 'illegal' does not in the slightest reduces the amount of prostitutes or their clients. Fact is that people do it anyway.
Fact is that by making it "illegal" this only creates busyness opportunities for criminals/maffia-like organisations.
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Originally Posted by Atom
Actually, it seems to me that moral decay has suddenly accelerated with the dawn of digital communication, basically starting with the industrial revolution .. mid 19th century.
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I think you really are on to something here Atom
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Originally Posted by KenMendonca
I like boobies as much as the next guy.
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09-12-2006, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatcomsFinest
lol oh you two are so funny
I agree with you fully here Ken, very sad really.
Ferre you really do not know the Bible at all, you may have it on your desk and be able to take verses out of context but you do not know the Bible. Here is a few passages in regards to prostitution and the Bible:
http://www.gotquestions.org/prostitution.html
I do however have to say that I agree with you somewhat here:
I think you really are on to something here Atom

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You, my dear, are the harlot of quoting. 
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09-13-2006, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by John Scott
The Bible doesn't hold either adultery or fornication in high esteem, and prositution can be somewhat fornicating-erous.
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I agree with You. The prostituition was everywhere and in all times in the past, but the names of it were different and there were several different forms of it...even in Bible...but the sense was and is the one: to pay woman for her body.To make it legal or to leave illegal will not help to make it disappear,and it will not miimalize the risk to catch "french caugh" or something like that.But the problem of using girls and young women as sex slaves (You know they must do it for the one piece of bread and have 12-16 clients a day) is VERY actual today.....
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09-13-2006, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by kristeejo
You, my dear, are the harlot of quoting. 
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Yes well what can I say, it's my sick little way of catching up
Besides once you start I find it really hard to quit
"just for today I will not quote" 
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09-13-2006, 12:28 AM
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Still my question is unanswered;
What is more "moral", creating a criminal circuit or making laws to take control and reduce harm as much as possible?
(And this goes not only for prostitution.)
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09-13-2006, 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferre
Still my question is unanswered;
What is more "moral", creating a criminal circuit or making laws to take control and reduce harm as much as possible?
(And this goes not only for prostitution.)
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there is nothing moral...the law and state institute itself are the way to some group of people that plant there own interests.And the moral is only utopia
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09-13-2006, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Ferre
Still my question is unanswered;
What is more "moral", creating a criminal circuit or making laws to take control and reduce harm as much as possible?
(And this goes not only for prostitution.)
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If something is wrong, it should be illegal. So what if people get hurt doing it. They shouldn't be doing wrong things to begin with.
People get hurt robbing mini marts, but I'm not going to legalize it just to make it safer to rob mini marts.
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09-13-2006, 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by John Scott
If something is wrong, it should be illegal. So what if people get hurt doing it. They shouldn't be doing wrong things to begin with.
People get hurt robbing mini marts, but I'm not going to legalize it just to make it safer to rob mini marts.
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but who determines what is wrong?
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09-13-2006, 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Katherine Stevenson
but who determines what is wrong?
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Ethical Human Brain
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09-13-2006, 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Katherine Stevenson
but who determines what is wrong?
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Depends on the government type - in a democracy, the people do (directly or indirectly).
Wrong, like "good" and "bad" is subjective. According to a hedonist definition, it's probably good.
I have my own beliefs about these things, and I consider myself free to do whatever I like, as long as I don't impinge upon the individual sovereignty of others.
As such, I believe that most of the victimless crimes should be wiped from the books. If two consenting adults choose to exchange money for sex, where is the victim?
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09-13-2006, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Avinash
Ethical Human Brain
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"Ethical Human Brain'=read "people who have power"
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09-13-2006, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Avinash
Ethical Human Brain
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Everybody's brain perceives differently. This is why legislating morality is so dangerous. Think about it. Think about the world decades ago - people promoted virtual theocracies as opposed to freedom, in the name of morality. Even now, in some countries, people are stoned to death for adultry, in the name of morality.
Morality should be a choice, not law.
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09-13-2006, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Katherine Stevenson
"Ethical Human Brain'=read "people who have power"
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People aren't gonna be ethical if they have power or they are on the highest level of the society. Too many criminals are at the highest level of society but people don't start to call them ethical.
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