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should be legal for consenting adults
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09-13-2006, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by John Scott
Depends on the government type - in a democracy, the people do (directly or indirectly).
Wrong, like "good" and "bad" is subjective. According to a hedonist definition, it's probably good.
I have my own beliefs about these things, and I consider myself free to do whatever I like, as long as I don't impinge upon the individual sovereignty of others.
As such, I believe that most of the victimless crimes should be wiped from the books. If two consenting adults choose to exchange money for sex, where is the victim?
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You have You own opinion and other people have too. So, in other words, during the history the moral of the society was changing all the times,in the fact it was the change of other people with different opinions.
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If two consenting adults choose to exchange money for sex, where is the victim?
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it's not a crime, simply barter....excuse me for my straight 
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09-13-2006, 01:07 AM
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Last edited by Katherine Stevenson; 09-13-2006 at 01:11 AM..
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09-13-2006, 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Avinash
People aren't gonna be ethical if they have power or they are on the highest level of the society. Too many criminals are at the highest level of society but people don't start to call them ethical.
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Only people without any social pretensies can think about the theme "what ethica is and does modern society have it". When You become someone like president or deputy You'll forget everything about Your "high" materies.
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09-13-2006, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Katherine Stevenson
Only people without any social pretensies can think about the theme "what ethica is and does modern society have it". When You become someone like president or deputy You'll forget everything about Your "high" materies.
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You shouldn't apply your own unethical thoughts on others. Some people never leave the ethical way. Special power should make us responsible for the society, not a proudy person who starts to live for his/her own life and stop caring about others.
If we are living in a modern world, it doesn't mean that we become unethical.
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09-13-2006, 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Avinash
You shouldn't apply your own unethical thoughts on others. Some people never leave the ethical way. Special power should make us responsible for the society, not a proudy person who starts to live for his/her own life and stop caring about others.
If we are living in a modern world, it doesn't mean that we become unethical.
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Excuse me I didn't want to offend You. But such things are common in our world, there are a lot of examples around You... 
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09-13-2006, 01:21 AM
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Excuse me I didn't want to offend You. But such things are common in our world, there are a lot of examples arond You... 
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What do you call "common"? If you used this word because too many people are unethical, then even ethics is common in our world because too many people ARE ethical. Then why did we start to think that if one gets special power, he'll become unethical?
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09-13-2006, 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Avinash
What do you call "common"? If you used this word because too many people are unethical, then even ethics is common in our world because too many people ARE ethical. Then why did we start to think that if one gets special power, he'll become unethical?
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When one gets power he won't become unethical,he'll simply forget about it.Nobody names himself unethical...I'm not talking about You and me and many other people,who have no any "real power". But in different life situations we may forget about any ethical moments..... 
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09-13-2006, 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Katherine Stevenson
When one gets power he won't become unethical,he'll simply forget about it.Nobody names himself unethical...I'm not talking about You and me and many other people,who have no any "real power". But in different life situations we may forget about any ethical moments..... 
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Forgetting our responsibilites is unethical as well as you can call it moral decay.
Morality IS a big thing for any responsible person.
Now, back to Prostitution, is it necessary to become irresponsible just because the other person (at the higher level in the society than you) is irresponsible?
Each and every human is responsible for the making of a good and strong society. Don't you think that living just for our own life is selfishness? Can't we try to improve our society rather than leaving our own responsibilites on others?
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09-13-2006, 01:39 AM
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Coming back to prostituition-it's the thing that'll never disappear...i think so....
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09-13-2006, 08:23 AM
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With great power comes great responsibility.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The reason even democratic governments sometimes have to legislate morality is the same reason Dancing with the Stars is a hit TV show.
People are stupid.
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09-13-2006, 08:36 AM
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The reason I went "legal".. is not because I think prostitution is a wonderful staple of our modern day society (lol), but rather that the people who end up selling themselves to get money to survive, need resources and support in place to help them get out of such a vicious circle.
It is probably true that most "adult" prostitutes start out in their early adolescence, selling their bodies on the street to get enough money to buy food and have shelter. Such people need all the help they can get, to get out of such a thing.
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09-13-2006, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by John Scott
If something is wrong, it should be illegal. So what if people get hurt doing it. They shouldn't be doing wrong things to begin with.
People get hurt robbing mini marts, but I'm not going to legalize it just to make it safer to rob mini marts.
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My very thoughts exactly 
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09-13-2006, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Avinash
Ethical Human Brain
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09-15-2006, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by John Scott
If something is wrong, it should be illegal. So what if people get hurt doing it. They shouldn't be doing wrong things to begin with.
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Making something illegal does not stop it happening. And prostitution is more of a gray area than many other things that can be classed as wrong. There are many people forced into it, who have no other choice or knowledge of an alternative lifestyle, are we simply to abandon these people as "wrong" and hope to just care for those in society who "are good" (whatever that subjective term means).
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People get hurt robbing mini marts, but I'm not going to legalize it just to make it safer to rob mini marts.
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Robbing a mini mart is a single descision or choice. Some people may do so because if they don't their children will die of starvation/thirst (though it does seem unlikely, nowadays as long as they have approrpiate support systems in place). However, comparing theft to prostituion is like comparing apples and oranges.
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09-15-2006, 07:25 AM
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However, comparing theft to prostituion is like comparing apples and oranges.
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Because prostitution is not "wrong". There are no victims.
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09-15-2006, 07:26 AM
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Making something illegal does not stop it happening.
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Using that logic, we should make murder legal because we all know how dangerous that is.
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09-15-2006, 07:26 AM
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There are victims of prostitution.. those who are dragged into its culture, kidnapped and taken from their families, or forced to sell themselves as there is no other means of commerce available to them.
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09-15-2006, 07:28 AM
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There are victims of prostitution.. those who are dragged into its culture, kidnapped and taken from their families, or forced to sell themselves as there is no other means of commerce available to them.
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That isn't prostitution, that's rape. I'm talking about prostitution, in America, where 99.9% of the girls are willing and eager.
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09-15-2006, 07:29 AM
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That isn't prostitution, that's rape. I'm talking about prostitution, in America, where 99.9% of the girls are willing and eager.
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phoney statistics make me roll my eyes 
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09-15-2006, 07:30 AM
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Polls like this show about the same result everywhere and it's funny how in *some* societies that claims to be democratic a 70+% majority doesn't matter for *certain* politicians who feel the need to moralize trough prohibition.
I think that making prostitution illegal is used as a cash-cow for governments, despite they know damn well it causes more misery and damage to society by making things illegal.
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