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Well how about the fact that Putin is puttin a large army in the vicinity of Ukraine? Is Russia under threat here or have I missed something?
 

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Perhaps you've missed the act that Ukraine, until last week, had an unelected, western backed government that gained power by coup.
Very unstable.
Add to that, western governments have provided them with military support and cash and personnel.
It's simple... If we are going to build up forces in the area, then we should expect Russia to do the same. It's only natural.
We would do the same if the shoe was on the other foot. It's defense. It's prudent.

Anyone remember the Cuban missile crisis? Ukraine is closer to Russia than Cuba is to the US.
 
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Do you consider the fact that Putin has been putin he large army well in due time outside the Ukrainian border way before any killing started. Everything happening in Ukraine/Crime has been meticulously planned and not by the western countries. They have been cought by surprise when you consider the escalations and the order of events ;-)
 
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Do you consider the fact that Putin has been putin he large army well in due time outside the Ukrainian border way before any killing started. Everything happening in Ukraine/Crime has been meticulously planned and not by the western countries.
But they have been planned by western countries.
The US gave several anti government groups in Ukraine over 5 billion dollars to destabilize and overthrow the previous elected government by coup.
Western government planned and executed the breakup of the Ukraine government and even helped choose the puppets who formed the interim government.
How can you say that this wasn't planned by western governments when there is so much evidence which proves their guilt?

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They have been cought by surprise when you consider the escalations and the order of events ;-)
They weren't surprised at all. The only surprise was when the people of Crimea voted to join Russia. I'm sure that western governments weren't counting on that when they were planning the destruction of Ukraine. We rolled the dice and we lost ground to Russia. We shouldn't have been interfering in Ukrainian affairs to begin with. None of our business. We got burned.

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I can sorta see the comparison... but comparing to Hitler is a bit extreme
 
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For me its more like fun i don't know why those two fight
 
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But they have been planned by western countries.
The US gave several anti government groups in Ukraine over 5 billion dollars to destabilize and overthrow the previous elected government by coup.
Western government planned and executed the breakup of the Ukraine government and even helped choose the puppets who formed the interim government.
How can you say that this wasn't planned by western governments when there is so much evidence which proves their guilt?


They weren't surprised at all. The only surprise was when the people of Crimea voted to join Russia. I'm sure that western governments weren't counting on that when they were planning the destruction of Ukraine. We rolled the dice and we lost ground to Russia. We shouldn't have been interfering in Ukrainian affairs to begin with. None of our business. We got burned.

Have you been to Ukraine? I visited Kiev this winter and Odessa this spring. Do you want to talk about the reallity?)
 
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Old 06-09-2014, 04:49 AM
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Have you been to Ukraine? I visited Kiev this winter and Odessa this spring. Do you want to talk about the reallity?)
Have you not read through this thread before commenting?
It's great that you've been to Ukraine. Good for you. But that's irrelevant to what is taking place there.
Maybe you weren't present in the room when Svoboda was given money by the US to destabilize Ukraine?
Maybe you weren't in Odessa when the Ukrainian citizens, aided by Ukrainian police, surrounded the Russian protesters camp, forced them into a building, set the building on fire with molotov cocktails and then shot or beat the protesters to death as they fled the burning building?
Maybe you weren't in Donnetsk when Ukrainian jets bombed the civilians in the city there?

Do you want to talk about the reality?
 
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Old 06-22-2014, 05:32 PM
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Russia is trying to expand in the way that Hitler did, and appeasement will result in the same results as with Hitler. Tin pot dictators that try to rule the world need to be stopped, Putin is seriously trying to expand Russia back to it's old boundaries and accepting the illegal vote from Crimea only underscores the lengths he will go to in order to achieve this object.

So, for me, Charles, for a change, got it right in both senses.
So... Land grab = Hitler

Interesting...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...l-land-3739255

Prince Charles is Hitler.

This is the guy you worship? Seriously?
This is the guy you turn to as a moral compass?

I love it. Prince Charles thinks Putin is Hitler because Putin respects the will of the people in Crimea, but Prince Tampon sees nothing wrong with taking land from people and mining under people's homes and keeping whatever he finds for himself.

I think you need new mentors, Dude.
 
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Old 06-23-2014, 03:48 PM
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Personally, prince Charles isn't my favourite royal, but that article is just the Daily Mirror doing what it does best, scaremongering.
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A spokesman for the duchy said: “Due to a change in the law, along with other owners of mineral rights across the country, the Duchy of Cornwall is having to register its mineral rights with HM Land Registry in order to preserve them for the future.”
Even the prince is bound by the laws of the land and he has to report the land to the land registry due to its mineral content.

That said, I still think his sons would do a better job than him.
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The Mirror isn't the only source, Dude.

Take your pick...
http://www.google.ca/search?q=prince...&client=safari

The bottom line is that this amounts to a land grab, the prince thinking he has any rights to mine the land of others.
 
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He doesn't really have any rights, dude. Basically HM Land Registry see that there are valuable minerals in the ground and they have the right to override him if it is beneficial to the country.

I am not defending him as I personally think he's a bit of an idiot. Just don't like the British press trying to find an angle in to print stuff.

I'd love to see the prince try to kick people off the land. I would like to see him become king after pulling that stunt and the uproar that would follow.

Heck, even his own mother hasn't stepped down to let her son become king and she could have done years back.

I think he is an idiot for saying what he did about Putin and he really shouldn't get mixed up in volatile World Politics and stick to his (princely) duties.
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That is a ridiculous western statement. Putin and Hitler are nothing a like.
 
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That is a ridiculous western statement. Putin and Hitler are nothing a like.
Have you read any replies before commenting in this thread? Anything to add to the current conversation?
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