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Old 02-04-2017, 10:38 AM
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Perhaps something simpler? Like the correct way to greet new arrivals to the country? I favor:

"Welcome to America. Existence, as you knew it, is over. We will add your biological and cultural uniqueness to our own. Resistance is futile."
 
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Old 03-04-2017, 02:48 AM
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I respect that you haven't voted for Donald Trump, but the majority of Americans has voted for him for their reasons. Althought I'm not the American, I think he will be a good president of USA. Let's see.
 
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Old 03-06-2017, 11:13 AM
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I did not vote for Donald Trump. I actually voted for Hillary Clinton even though I was technically a Bernie Sanders supporter. I would like to preface my comment with that.

I think that Donald Trump's administration will be marred with all kinds of issues as we have already seen. He ran on a campaign of "hate" for the most part. The tapes that came out of him acting misogynistic withstanding, several women have come out talking about his proclivity for sexual assaulting women. I have no idea if this is actually true.

That was pretty much just the beginning (unless you count his constant rhetoric pandering to the extremists of his supporters)

Fast forward post-election and you will see that the main reason he won the election was because people didn't trust Hillary Clinton...why would they since he ran on the whole "Lock Her Up" slogan. He promised to prosecute her which he backtracked on once he won the election. This is probably because his own Vice President has been found to have been using his own private email as Governor of Indiana to talk about State Department (aka National Security) issues. You mix that with something like more than a half dozen of his own administration having conversations or ties with Russia pre-election results...I begin to wonder if there might have been something terribly wrong with the election (as several news outlets have eluded to with "Russian Hacking").

Now let's talk about Trumps absolute unwillingness to submit his tax returns under the guise that he was in the middle of an audit (even though Nixon submitted his during an audit several decades ago) and now post election still refusing to submit them. Now part of me wants to believe that this is just his ego and perhaps he isn't worth nearly as much as he says he is...but something tells me his ties with Russian Oligarchs would come to light which would honestly be an impeachable offense.

Mix all of this with the fact that he openly attacks the media, continually tries to write unconstitutional executive orders, and his overall inability to be diplomatic and frankly unpresidential and you get a man who is absolutely NOT right for the job.

Now, I have high hopes for his ability to stabilize and even help the economy thrive over his tenure however long or short it may be...but chances are we will be involved in several different wars (both trade and military), he will withdraw us further from the World and eventually hurt our reputation as a democratic country (more than it already is).

I don't think he is or was the right person for the job, but when you consider the alternatives I believe most Americans had no choice. Hopefully he won't be able to do anything too harmful even though I think that's a foregone conclusion at this point.

Anyways, rant over...and the simple answer to the question is No.
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Old 03-07-2017, 04:54 AM
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Why the outrage over what Trump says vs. what other world leaders DO?
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Trump has started doing what he says. America should be a role model for the rest of the world. Trump shouldn't stoop to the level of Robert Mugabe & co.
 
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:15 AM
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I did not vote for Donald Trump. I actually voted for Hillary Clinton even though I was technically a Bernie Sanders supporter. I would like to preface my comment with that.
If I remember correctly it was brought out that the DNC and Hillary Campaign conspired together against Bernie Sanders during the Primary process?

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I think that Donald Trump's administration will be marred with all kinds of issues as we have already seen. He ran on a campaign of "hate" for the most part. The tapes that came out of him acting misogynistic withstanding, several women have come out talking about his proclivity for sexual assaulting women. I have no idea if this is actually true.
Marred with issues is likely to be an understatement. The "Hate" issue has actually been the underscored process of Dems in general since the loss of the 2000 Gore/Bush election. The only time there has not been an onslaught of the childish/hate filled behavior from Dems was during a short period after 9/11 which didn't last long.

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Fast forward post-election and you will see that the main reason he won the election was because people didn't trust Hillary Clinton...
Hillary gave absolutely no reason for anyone to trust her. She didn't need the help of any type of rhetoric for that. The Clinton's have proven themselves dirty players with a gift for self interest for decades

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his own Vice President has been found to have been using his own private email as Governor of Indiana to talk about State Department (aka National Security) issues.
VP Pence used his personal email for state of Indiana business perhaps. Not a violation of Indiana State Law nor was it for federally classified material. This is not a comparison to the Hillary Email issue in any way other than a poor attempt by the Democratic party to muddy the issue in my opinion. To each their own I suppose though...

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You mix that with something like more than a half dozen of his own administration having conversations or ties with Russia pre-election results...I begin to wonder if there might have been something terribly wrong with the election (as several news outlets have eluded to with "Russian Hacking").
Was there collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia to prompt or assist with hacking the DNC? I suppose a thorough investigation will hopefully bring clarity to that issue.

Was there Contact? Other than someone saying that they had no contact when they did/especially if under oath. There is no law saying that a person can or cannot have contact with people or even Government from foreign countries whether they are good or bad unless it is a violation of sanctions in place. Unless it is known/proven that the conversation was about something bad or illegal this too is but a guise to create the anti Trump(republican, lets face it this is being done just because it's Trump would have been the same effort against any Republican) sentiment desired

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but something tells me his ties with Russian Oligarchs would come to light which would honestly be an impeachable offense.
Again, unless it proves something he lied about whether there is ties or not is inconsequential. It is not illegal or unheard of for businesses to have relationships of some type with foreign dignitaries at some point on some level.

This would be like arresting me for bank robbery because my neighbors robbed a bank and I had conversations and visits with them.

I'm not attempting to defend Trump, I am more flabbergasted and infuriated over the behavior that has been openly displayed since the 2000 election and simply accepted as ok. Rather it was Trump or any other person in a party that was not Democrat would have the same type of mud flung at them to see what would stick...they perhaps wouldn't be as easy of a target LoL but it would be going on none the less...

I say we grow up, get over the petty politics B.S. and just focus on getting things back to where they are supposed to be and start moving back away from the socialist type of governing we've been heading for over the last decade+
 
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Old 03-08-2017, 04:33 AM
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Trump has started doing what he says. America should be a role model for the rest of the world. Trump shouldn't stoop to the level of Robert Mugabe & co.
I cannot think of one world leader in history keeping as many election promises as him.
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I cannot think of one world leader in history keeping as many election promises as him.
Hitler's NSDAP did to be honest...or at least he tried his damnedest.

This is in no way me trying to compare them, I just happened to have studied the subject in great depth at university many moons ago.
 
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I cannot think of one world leader in history keeping as many election promises as him.
His greatest election promise was jobs. A few thousand jobs here & there isn't going to keep his electorate happy. He's gonna have to create jobs en masse. It's too early to say whether he'll do that & he's certainly not doing that already.
 
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To answer the question "if Trump is the right option?" is a hard one. With the choices that we had I am not sure there was a "right option". I believe that the status quo in American politics has to change and we have to address real issues and get back to the basics that this country was founded upon and have proven time and again to work. Hard work, loyalty, and respect have lost their meaning and place in American politics. Only time will tell if Trump was the "right option".
 
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Old 03-08-2017, 09:37 AM
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The whole "russian hacking the election" narrative is ridiculous. It comes from main stream media outlets that have lied over and over again and they reference anonymous sources in the intelligence community. These are the same sources that assured everyone that Iraq had WMDs. They are NOT credible. Anonymous sources are NOT credible. Media outlets that have been caught lying are NOT credible. It's a fantasy.

And I find it hilarious that these same lying media outlets that want you to believe that the Russians hacked the election without providing a shred of verifiable proof now want to see proof of the Donald's claims that he was spied on during the election. These lying media presstitutes want evidence of the spying on Trump, while expecting everyone to blindly believe their naked claims of Russian election tampering. It's ridiculous and only those who's minds are vacant are buying it.
 
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Old 03-08-2017, 10:23 AM
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His greatest election promise was jobs. A few thousand jobs here & there isn't going to keep his electorate happy. He's gonna have to create jobs en masse. It's too early to say whether he'll do that & he's certainly not doing that already.
I trade forex and keep up to date with all the figures and can assure you he has created* a lot of jobs, the problem is the jobs are very low paid. We have a similar problem in the UK where we have a 4.8% unemployment figure, which is excellent until you dig deeper. The amount of 0 hrs contacts is very high and the type of jobs being created are low paid.

If Trump follows through on his promises, regarding an infrastructure overhaul, then better paid jobs will follow.

*many are on the way also.
 
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Old 03-08-2017, 11:08 AM
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His greatest election promise was jobs. A few thousand jobs here & there isn't going to keep his electorate happy. He's gonna have to create jobs en masse. It's too early to say whether he'll do that & he's certainly not doing that already.
Already?? He's barely been in office for a little over a month.

BTW, today's job figure announcement was 298,000 which was far above the expected number.
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Old 03-08-2017, 11:19 AM
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The whole "russian hacking the election" narrative is ridiculous. It comes from main stream media outlets that have lied over and over again and they reference anonymous sources in the intelligence community. These are the same sources that assured everyone that Iraq had WMDs. They are NOT credible. Anonymous sources are NOT credible. Media outlets that have been caught lying are NOT credible. It's a fantasy.

And I find it hilarious that these same lying media outlets that want you to believe that the Russians hacked the election without providing a shred of verifiable proof now want to see proof of the Donald's claims that he was spied on during the election. These lying media presstitutes want evidence of the spying on Trump, while expecting everyone to blindly believe their naked claims of Russian election tampering. It's ridiculous and only those who's minds are vacant are buying it.
The issue with accusations such of Russian hacking is that there will never be any sufficient proof one way or the other which allows the general public to draw a logical conclusion from. Ergo, it will just stand unchallenged and the general perception is one of a "stolen election".
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The issue with accusations such of Russian hacking is that there will never be any sufficient proof one way or the other which allows the general public to draw a logical conclusion from. Ergo, it will just stand unchallenged and the general perception is one of a "stolen election".
Hey Dude.

My point was twofold.

1. If you can't prove an allegation, don't make it in the first place. It just proves that you're prone to baseless claims, which destroys your credibility.
(This is why people don't trust the main stream media anymore.)

2. Use the same standards for proof for all of your stories or you've exposed yourself as biased with your own agenda.


The media is arguably the last line of defense against tyranny. If the people can't trust the media, then the media is not working for the people. The media has a duty to the truth, first and foremost. If they can't even get that right, they might as well close up shop because they're worse than useless.
 
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Absolutely not the right option. Look at what he's done so far. He doesn't have the temperament to lead.
 
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Absolutely not the right option. Look at what he's done so far. He doesn't have the temperament to lead.
You have no idea what his temperament is like behind closed doors though, do you? You just see a persona.
 
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Absolutely. And there are two things I need to say before I feel free to go further:
1) I like Trump. Because when I was a kid, I recall him in the news daily looking up to him. So I am overcoming this in order to become more neutral.
2) Clinton imo is the most spineless fraud and criminal and The Clinton Chronicles is a movie each one liking her needs to watch. I bet if they do and check up on claims realizing how many are true, the entire family including Chelsea will have no future.


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Hey Dude.

My point was twofold.

1. If you can't prove an allegation, don't make it in the first place. It just proves that you're prone to baseless claims, which destroys your credibility.
(This is why people don't trust the main stream media anymore.)

2. Use the same standards for proof for all of your stories or you've exposed yourself as biased with your own agenda.


The media is arguably the last line of defense against tyranny. If the people can't trust the media, then the media is not working for the people. The media has a duty to the truth, first and foremost. If they can't even get that right, they might as well close up shop because they're worse than useless.
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the problem is the jobs are very low paid.
Low paid jobs are good enough to give people hope that something better is on the way, enough to re-elect a leader a second time anyway. Something like what Modi is doing over here - giving people something to keep them occupied just enough so that the anti-incumbency factor doesn't come into play around the time of the next elections.

Besides how many of these jobs were actually in the pipeline from the Obama administrations's days? Succeeding administrations often get the benefit of the work done by the previous administration. It's hard to imagine him (or anyone else for that matter) creating hundreds of thousands of jobs just two months into his presidency.

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About year before the elections the people finally had a different voice. A voice that gave the perception that he shared their point of views for the most part.
The fact that the people were willing to accept a clown over a politician just shows how much the people want real change, not obama's view of change, or trumps, but real change.

America's tired of being spied on and lied to in the name of national security, I mean corporate profits.
 
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