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Old 02-21-2007, 08:10 AM
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Uh oh, I take it foxnews is not accepted as a resource of information here on the forum? Did I commit a forum faux pas?
Don't worry about it. It's only an issue with a few people who dislike any media that doesn't slant to cater to their particular viewpoint.

I've been working on a slogan for them

"The few, The Loud, the Liberals".

Think the marines would get upset?
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Old 02-21-2007, 08:36 AM
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The American media is all over the board. You go one place you get extreme right views, you go another you get extreme left views. I would really welcome some centrist news in this country. Suggestions?
That's where YOU come in. The classic way of forming an opinion, is to be sure to have as many as possible sides of a story to be able to make your own mind up about things.

I do understand though, that this is not-so-easy in a country that considers 'liberal' to be a cuss word and generally used as an insult, even in their press.
 
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Old 02-21-2007, 10:19 AM
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That's where YOU come in. The classic way of forming an opinion, is to be sure to have as many as possible sides of a story to be able to make your own mind up about things.

I do understand though, that this is not-so-easy in a country that considers 'liberal' to be a cuss word and generally used as an insult, even in their press.
I try to read non-American journalism as often as I can. The internet has made that much easier. At a journalism conference I once asked "Can Americans learn more about their country via foreign new sources than domestic?" Most of the panel responded that it wasn't a fair question or acted as though they didn't understand it. I would hold that Americans can get to know their country better by reading non-American journalism with an open mind. Which means having good reasons for disagreeing with something rather than stereotypes or rants.

Also, I think most who bash the word 'liberal' have no idea what the word means. Or, at the very least, they have learned the definition from the bashers and have not actually researched the stance on their own. Or they equate 'extreme liberal' with 'liberal' much the same way many equate 'extreme conservative' with 'conservative.' This whole 'liberal' non-issue has taken on the role of a bizarre new red scare in this country. Thankfully without the McCarthy hearings.
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Old 02-21-2007, 10:29 AM
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[COLOR=darkgreen]I do understand though, that this is not-so-easy in a country that considers 'liberal' to be a cuss word and generally used as an insult, even in their press.
We didn't turn it into a cuss word, it's what's portrayed by the individuals targeted. It's not like it's a beat up on a liberals country, but we choose to filter what we take in.
 
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Most of the posts in here about Bush is based on a lack of knowledge and a hate for
America, which can be traced back over 40 years before Bush took office.

And while Bush is on his last term, I am watching europe to see how they will focus their
anti-american-ism, when Bush is gone.

There is nothing new with Bush, Bush was president in a time of having to do a unliked war
and I know for a fact, that this type of war, did not matter who was president the same hate
would be focused on that person.

But europe should start to worry, becouse 2 events are growing, (1) europe is getting more and
more anti-american, which is a form of hate, which is not part of a civilized country.
(2) this hate is shared among the east, which means soon you can cast europe into this
group of un-civilized nations.

I have been around the world, I have been to almost every country. I know the changes I have
seen, I also know the dangers in feeding HATE to the population, which is what their media has
been doing for years now.

So while they too become as bad as terrists, history will show someday that man can indeed
fall pray to HATE of other peoples and nations becouse of what or who they are.
and europe will be leading the way on this HATE crusade.

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Old 03-07-2007, 05:10 PM
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"Everyone hates us"

Doesn't that sound a tad paranoia? And when that would be the case, don't this reminds you of; "everyone thinks I'm crazy but I don't"?


 
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:19 PM
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Ferre, do you bother reading your posts before you hit 'Post Quick Reply'? The majority of your posts contain the same composition as a 6 year old trying to get his way. Your ability to take things out of context baffles me, especially when you appear to consider yourself so smart in regards to world issues.

Lol, go smoke some more pot.
 
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:31 PM
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Dude, zcoder is trying to tell us that Europe is becomming a bunch of terrorists, that we are un sivilized and whatnot and that the Europe is leading the way on some sort of hate cruisade against the US.

Now that's rational thinking in your view?

I think you missed this post I just made.

http://www.v7n.com/forums/politics/1...tml#post563135

In answer to this kind of statements from zcoder;

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You may not ever think that europe and america will ever enter into a war
against each other, but if your wise, and can see how much more louder
europe is pounding on the anti-american drum, you can see it comming.

I myself think it will happen, and in the end, all that is gained is a horrible
lesson to ALL of man kind, in regards to what we sell to our own people
in our own nation.
If that doesn't sound paranoia, what does?

And you are telling me to 'smoke some more pot'?
 
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:43 PM
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I did miss that post, but they are no less rational than some of the things you write. In most cases, if I wasn't the wiser, I'd swear I was living in hell itself, as described by you.

I'm amazed at the amount of people on v7n that make frequent anti-US posts/threads/comments. Following zcoders logic, albeit a bit far out there, the conclusion is that Europe is on it's way to becoming a terrorist state, at least one against the US. Which, depending on how you look at it, can be considered terrorism or not.

In my eyes, the biggest problem is that there is no perfect government, but the US has the next best thing. Shaming our leaders day in and day out does not solve a goddamn thing. For this very reason I'm considering running for a local spot.
 
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:50 PM
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So according to you when people from outside the USA dissagree with the USA's politics they are on their way to become terrorists?

Good logic. Very rational too.
 
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No, I do not believe that way. Christ almighty. I need to remove myself from the political section....
 
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Old 03-07-2007, 06:37 PM
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No, I do not believe that way. Christ almighty. I need to remove myself from the political section....
Ok, but zcoder clearly has that opinion, he even predicts war with Europe in the future for that reason.

Doesn't that sound a bit off? (to keep it polite)
 
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Ferre,
You do a good job at taking things way out of context.
what I mean to say is preaching hate to the people of a nation
in time will couse wars.

And that at the rate europe is doing this, it is in the real possablility to
really happen. We hope not.

If you need proof, look at how many years the east preached hate about
the WEST, and Know what it has made people from the EAST do to us.

Just becouse they are arabs does not mean that this same type of preaching
can not do the same to us as nations against nations.

All it would take is for some generation to get feed up with americans and
form a group to do just what terrists do.

So tell me why this is so far fetched?

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Old 03-07-2007, 07:12 PM
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Seek help dude. America is not at war with "the people from the east" but with a relatively small group of fanatics who live in that area. "the people from the east" are in general peace loving people who dissagree with terrorism and hate war just as anyone else on this planet.

As long as Europe is not attacked by other nations it will never attack anyone, I don't know where you got that insane idea that there's 'hatred' in Europe towards the US, there is criticism yes, and a lot of it, but I think you can't see the difference between criticism and hatred and when you really believe that criticism is un-civilized, on the way to being terrorists and a reason for war as you have been stating today I feel sorry for you.

You make me think of that idiot who said: "If you are not with us, you are with the terrorists". Only a real moron can think that way, as if there's no such thing as "nuances". <-- look that up, you might learn something new.
 
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Ferre,
this statement shows me that you have never been to the east.
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"the people from the east" are in general peace loving people who dissagree with terrorism and hate war just as anyone else on this planet.
So I would ask you if you have the guts to go their and travle around there
and tell everyone that your from the west, which I think you don't even have
to tell them.

With that said, I must also say that there are some there who will help
protect you, if the price is right.

Your living in a dream world if you don't think that the average eastern
person does not deep inside agree with the Jihad, they just for the time
being want no part of it.

try to find me one eastern person, willing to get on world wide TV and
condem what the terrists are doing.

We have been trying here in america to find even one islam group to
stand up and protest what the terrists do.

But you will never belive it, war was proclaimed on you by those who you
feel are just a nuances.

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Old 03-07-2007, 08:21 PM
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try to find me one eastern person, willing to get on world wide TV and
condem what the terrists are doing.
Here you go:

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
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littleFella,
Good try, but we asked that group (CAIR) if they would go on National TV
with their message, we was going to support them and arrange for their
exposure on National TV, they wrote back and declined.

As did over 1000 other islamic groups in the use and europe.
you can defend these people couse they won't defend themself.

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want TV?
got TV:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0502/p01s04-wome.html
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She is on TV, thats not what I asked for.
I ask for a islam person or group to be willing to say things
against terrists or redical islam. none will take that stand.

When we interviewed Sabreen, she seems as though she was against
radical islam, when asked if she would make her voice be heard in
behalf of all of islam. she declined.

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First before I state anything I want to be clear on that I say, becouse
on this forum are some people, who for some reason don't get it.

So here is a short story follow this story then read my post:
Quote:
A brick layer is building a tall wall on a new house, around noon time
he has a few beers, then gets back to work. at the end of the day
he starts to cleanup to go home.

But he has a whole pile of bricks up where he is at, and tomorrow he needs
them else where. the more he thinks about making alot of trips down the
stairs to get them all down, he desides to load them all up in a large
wooden bucket then lower them all down.

When he gets done filling the large wooden bucket, he goes down
to the last floor outside, and begins to untie the rope on the bucket,
but at about the time he untied the rope he realized that the bucket of bricks
weighs more then he does, and before he knows it he's up in the air and on
his way up, he hits his head on the bucket that is going down, when the
bucket hits the ground the wooden bottom brakes from all the weight

and now he weighs more then the bucket, so before he knows it he starts his
trip down, and on the way down he hits his head on the bucket, and then
before he knows it he lands on his back on all the bricks.
So if we was watching this guy from the beginning and we knew his plan before
hand, we could put all the facts together and predict that IF and only IF
he continued the way he was going that all these things that happend to him
would be the result of his actions, right???

So know, when I say europe is becoming a non-civilized nation then it is
my prediction that as their actions continue as they have in the past it
is most likely what is going to happen, and if the east has gone down the
same road in preaching hate, and by doing so created terrists , then why
would europe be amune to the same, when it is already following the same
path?

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