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Old 05-11-2007, 10:06 AM
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"American Security at Risk", says U.S. Defence Department

The Canadians are coming, the Canadians are coming!

Take your pick of source:
CBC.ca - http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/070507/K050723AU.html
CNN.com - http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/am...adian.coin.ap/
Globe and Mail - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home
The Star - http://www.thestar.com/News/article/211189
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Old 05-11-2007, 10:23 AM
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Old 05-11-2007, 11:13 AM
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Whoa! Pro-coke quarters! No wonder the Americans flipped!
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:42 AM
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Old 05-12-2007, 08:40 PM
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Flower power.
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Old 05-12-2007, 08:51 PM
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Flower power.
Ha!
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Old 05-14-2007, 09:49 AM
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They're disappointing coins, too. The red scratches off.
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Old 05-15-2007, 10:56 AM
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The harmless "poppy quarter" was so unfamiliar to suspicious U.S. army contractors travelling in Canada that they filed confidential espionage accounts about them.
That's hilarious!
I can just imagine the conversation between these contractors. Getting their change at Tim Hortons one of them looks down and notices a splotch of red on the quarter:
"Hey Charlie, this quarter looks awfully suspicous."
"Yeah Buzz, quarters aren't supposed to be red. Therefore, using my special counter-espionage training I deduct that it must be some kind of a spy quarter. The fact that it's red and draws attention to itself is just a devious ploy to make us think that since it is so obviously different from regular quarters that it couldn't possibly contain a spying device. Secondly, what more ingenious place to hide a listening device than on an object that is usually kept inside closed spaces where noise can't easily penetrate such as wallets and cash registers"
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That's hilarious!
I can just imagine the conversation between these contractors. Getting their change at Tim Hortons one of them looks down and notices a splotch of red on the quarter:
"Hey Charlie, this quarter looks awfully suspicous."
"Yeah Buzz, quarters aren't supposed to be red. Therefore, using my special counter-espionage training I deduct that it must be some kind of a spy quarter. The fact that it's red and draws attention to itself is just a devious ploy to make us think that since it is so obviously different from regular quarters that it couldn't possibly contain a spying device. Secondly, what more ingenious place to hide a listening device than on an object that is usually kept inside closed spaces where noise can't easily penetrate such as wallets and cash registers"
 
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That would be funny if we didn't live in a world with near microscopic rfid chips and god knows what else. You can't blame the contractors for failing safe.
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Old 05-15-2007, 11:15 AM
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Yeah, you can.

Think of the lack of practicality... Canadian quarters spend on Canadian soil. It spends 99% of its time in tills or pockets so visual espionage is out of the question. (Unless someone decides to superglue one of them, poppy side out, to his/her forehead.) Tracking device? It changes hands so many times that it's pointless. From the bank to me, to the corner store, to Mr. Spock, to homeless George, to Burger King, to Ada Plunkett, who donates it to the ronald mc donald house, where it sits in the donation bin fo four months.
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Old 05-15-2007, 11:18 AM
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I would have used it as a tracking device because people think it is unpractical and changes hands so many times, they would never have suspected it until now.
 
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First of all they didn't recognize it as real money though. Its better that they report something suspicious than to find out later that it was something worth investigating.

Second, give an American a foreign coin and they are likely to hold on to it for along time or long enough. I still have coins from 12 years ago from my travels in the Navy. Espionage does not mean that you need to observe someone for a long time., it means you observe long enough to learn something useful, that may require a few hours, a few minutes, or years.. there is no telling it depends on what you need.
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Old 05-15-2007, 11:26 AM
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Surely, before releasing the report of the "security risk" they would have checked recent news history and noted that the poppy coin was a general release to the public, and the first coloured coin, at that. In other words, I disagree with you.

Also related to the large public release is the financial aspect. The use of nanotechnology would guarantee that the "spy coins" would cost many times more than 25 cents each. As tens of thousands of these coins were released, thrown into ponds, flattened under train wheels, and collected into books... where's the practicality of that?
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You keep missing the point that no one involved knew that it was a legit coin. Its not the contractors job to investigate the issue, their only job is to report a potential security incident and any relevant information they may have.

Plus who said that every coin was bugged? Not me
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Old 05-15-2007, 11:42 AM
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Right, just the ones they got their hands on.

Regardless of contractor's reponsibilities, the Department of Defense issued the alert. You think somewhere between these contractors and the media someone had 5 minutes and access to the internet.
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Yeah I totally agree with you on that part.
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What's the big deal? They thought something was suspicious an investigated it. The US govt gets accused of under-investigation leading up to 9-11, under-investigating Saddam, now laughed at for over investigating a concern. What exactly is the correct amount of investigation to make everyone happy?

I expect government security agents investigate many things that turned out to just be something silly.
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Yeah, like WMD's and such.
Nice one!

Seriously though, they could have just asked the person at the store or bank what's with this quarter and they would have been told. The fact that it made it to the Department of Defense makes them look like fools.
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