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Old 07-10-2007, 03:27 AM
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I was just joking around Gio, and Rankenstein, for your information, they didn't get knocked back and England signed a peace treaty to avoid the Dutch to enter London, which they were getting very close to without too much effort, after destroying most of the English fleet on the rivers.
This is correct, they did sign a peace treaty

Come to think about it, bloody waste of space this country really, isn't it!

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We should pack it all in, abandon all self-respect, and become European.
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Old 07-10-2007, 05:32 AM
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We should pack it all in, abandon all self-respect, and become European.

I don't think so. I think that the people in all the different countries in Europe should wake up and dismantle that whole communist EU concept forced upon us by powerhungry bureaucrats.
 
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Old 07-10-2007, 05:48 AM
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Not really, but who wants it?

Ever heard of the Raid on the Medway? Or heard of a dude named Michiel de Ruyter?

Guess not.
LOL. 300 years ago. More recently they just surrender.
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Talking I got a better idea, let's invade!

Brigadier General Rankenstein and his horde of Mancs can take the sea ports.

Air Commander G10 can parachute in with with his morris dancers.

And I'll take some lads from a few of the London estates via the channel tunnel.

Europe will be ours in days.

That'll put the wind up'em

And if we can get some of the 18-30s holidayers in Spain and Greece to join in we would be home by the weekend.
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Old 07-10-2007, 05:58 AM
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Yep, as in WW1, the Netherlands was NEUTRAL and Hitler invaded it by surprise in the nigh time without even declarinig war up front. Needless to say that the Netherlands was not at all prepared for war, as they had been neutral in the first ww and did not even have a real sufficient army at the time.

Because our borders where not protected, and because of the dense population in the little country it would have been a historical mistake to not surrender. taking an allready lost war into the cities would have resulted in massive casualties for the Dutch population with an outcome that was allready clear to begin with.

Did you know that Rotterdam, the second biggest city in the Netherlands, was bombed (and everyone in that city) untill the whole city was flattened by the nazis because one of the tiny islands didn't want to surrender? Did you know that the nazis treathened to do the same with Amsterdam if that island (Walcheren) didn't surrender and that this was the reason why those people gave in and surrendered to save Amsterdam?

Guess not.

 
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Yep, as in WW1, the Netherlands was NEUTRAL and Hitler invaded it by surprise in the nigh time without even declarinig war up front. Needless to say that the Netherlands was not at all prepared for war, as they had been neutral in the first ww and did not even have a real sufficient army at the time.

Because our borders where not protected, and because of the dense population in the little country it would have been a historical mistake to not surrender. taking an allready lost war into the cities would have resulted in massive casualties for the Dutch population with an outcome that was allready clear to begin with.

Did you know that Rotterdam, the second biggest city in the Netherlands, was bombed untill the whole city was flattened by the nazis because one of the tiny islands didn't want to surrender? Did you know that the nazis treathened to do the same with Amsterdam if that island (Walcheren) didn't surrender and that this was the reason why those people gave in and surrendered to save Amsterdam?

Guess not.

Actually, I had read the Wiki article I linked to, so yeah I know the place was bombed. But you got to think, if you know you're living next to a bloodthirsty tyrant, why not get prepared?
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Actually, I had read the Wiki article I linked to, so yeah I know the place was bombed. But you got to think, if you know you're living next to a bloodthirsty tyrant, why not get prepared?
You seem to forget that Hitler had exactly the same political status as president Bush has today. He was democratically elected, supported by American bankers and industrialists like Henri Ford and grandpa Bush and even respected by many politicians in that time, even the Pope praised him into heaven. His swift to fascism happened in a relatively short period and as the Netherlands had been successfully kept its neutral position in the first war there was no reason to believe that it could be attacked, specially not by neighbours it had been in peace with since generations. Nazi Germany had a beef with Poland, Russia and France at that time and there was no reason at all to suspect that the Netherlands could get pulled into the conflict.
 
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You seem to forget that Hitler had exactly the same political status as president Bush has today. He was democratically elected, supported by American bankers and industrialists like Henri Ford and grandpa Bush and even respected by many politicians in that time, even the Pope praised him into heaven.
LOL. So Dutch foreign policy is dictated by Henry Ford?

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Air Commander G10 can parachute in with with his morris dancers.
Morris dancers?

Good old british ballroom old boy, what what!
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Brigadier General Rankenstein and his horde of Mancs can take the sea ports.

Air Commander G10 can parachute in with with his morris dancers.

And I'll take some lads from a few of the London estates via the channel tunnel.

Europe will be ours in days.

That'll put the wind up'em

And if we can get some of the 18-30s holidayers in Spain and Greece to join in we would be home by the weekend.
Just let us know across the pond if you need us to come save your asses again if you get stuck.

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Just let us know across the pond if you need us to come save your asses again if you get stuck.

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Hehehe.

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Y even the Pope praised him into heaven.
I some of my research, Hitlers propaganda show that his war against europe was a "Holy War" to defeat evil for God.

In the same type fashion as the Crusades

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LOL. So Dutch foreign policy is dictated by Henry Ford?

Man, I nreally don't see how you can come to that conclusion, not even when I read that one part of the longer sentence you cut off to to take it totally out of it's context.

Dutch Policies, at that time, were dictated by the political situation at that time and experiences from the past with the parties involved in the conflicts that were accurate, again, at that time.

There was no reason whatsoever to suspect an invasion. In fact, before he started to invade other countries, and even when he allready had invaded Poland, the germans still had the reputation to be trustworthy regarding respecting diplamatic agreements and they had embassies all over the world.

Maybe the concept is a bit hard for you to understand, but in those days a man's word and a country's official stance was something one could rely upon. Germany had been doing everything it could to pay back the war debts layed upon them by the allied forces after ww1 to the point that it litteraly starved their own people and nothing indicated that they would take any violent action whatsoever against a country that wasn't even involved in the first war.
 
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Morris dancers?

Good old british ballroom old boy, what what!

OK, if you want to take the ballroom boys in I'll have to change your title to Rear Admiral of the Fleet. But no wearing those skimpy dresses, it gets quite cold in the Pyreneese

Kieth: watch it or we'll start a war on two fronts and send the Essex girls across the pond!
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even the Pope praised him into heaven.
Here lies one of the major paths laid out for setting of WWII.

If the pope and the Vatican would have unitedly condemned Hitler and his regime early on, due to the fact that most of the Wermacht were Christian, this would have caused a major rift within ranks and the war may have just ended up being a civil war within Germany.

But Hitler had to get the Vatican on side so that he could justify what he was doing and avoid this problem.
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods48.html

Interesting reading.
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OK, if you want to take the ballroom boys in I'll have to change your title to Rear Admiral of the Fleet. But no wearing those skimpy dresses, it gets quite cold in the Pyreneese

Kieth: watch it or we'll start a war on two fronts and send the Essex girls across the pond!
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Man, I nreally don't see how you can come to that conclusion, not even when I read that one part of the longer sentence you cut off to to take it totally out of it's context.

Dutch Policies, at that time, were dictated by the political situation at that time and experiences from the past with the parties involved in the conflicts that were accurate, again, at that time.

There was no reason whatsoever to suspect an invasion. In fact, before he started to invade other countries, and even when he allready had invaded Poland, the germans still had the reputation to be trustworthy regarding respecting diplamatic agreements and they had embassies all over the world.

Maybe the concept is a bit hard for you to understand, but in those days a man's word and a country's official stance was something one could rely upon. Germany had been doing everything it could to pay back the war debts layed upon them by the allied forces after ww1 to the point that it litteraly starved their own people and nothing indicated that they would take any violent action whatsoever against a country that wasn't even involved in the first war.
Germany invaded the Netherlands on May 10, 1940. Hitler was being a twat way back in 1933. Plenty of warning if you ask me, but I do understand the pacifist desire to pretend that nothing is out of order.
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Here lies one of the major paths laid out for setting of WWII.

If the pope and the Vatican would have unitedly condemned Hitler and his regime early on, due to the fact that most of the Wermacht were Christian, this would have caused a major rift within ranks and the war may have just ended up being a civil war within Germany.

But Hitler had to get the Vatican on side so that he could justify what he was doing and avoid this problem.
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The problem is that the campaign against Pacelli is a defamation. Assuming the other criteria for sainthood are met, not to proceed is to be complicit. The record is clear. With Adolf Hitler not even chancellor until 1933, on March 28, 1928, Pius XI proclaimed: “Moved by Christian charity, the Holy See is obligated to protect the Jewish people against unjust vexations and, just as it reprobates all rancor and conflicts between peoples, it particularly condemns unreservedly hatred against the people once chosen by God; the hatred that goes by the name of anti-Semitism.” Two years later, with Cardinal Pacelli promoted to secretary of state, on Oct. 11, 1930, his official Vatican newspaper quoted his office saying “belonging to the National Socialist Party of Hitler is irreconcilable with Catholic conscience.”
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