What do you Think of America - Page 13

chicgeek · 08-20-2007, 10:02 PM

Now I'm remembering why I don't usually post in this forum - never ending stream of questions leading to differring opinons.

I'm no expert and it's midnight. I retract any statements requireing in favour of some shut eye.

kristeejo · 08-20-2007, 10:11 PM

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Now I'm remembering why I don't usually post in this forum - never ending stream of questions leading to differring opinons.

I'm no expert and it's midnight. I retract any statements requireing in favour of some shut eye.

my good god - did laura just MISSPELL SOMETHING?!!!!

chicgeek · 08-20-2007, 10:14 PM

requiring.

John Scott · 08-20-2007, 10:22 PM

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differring

No?

chicgeek · 08-20-2007, 10:27 PM

Regardless, border migraine says I sleep. Maybe tomorrow I'll come out to play.

SeLFiE_12 · 08-20-2007, 10:36 PM

i haven't been there but i want to be there soon...America is said to be a successful country that most people want to be there...i don't know much about them but i know every country have its own flaws but that is you can only see once you were there...and i want to be in America to see those flaws while seeing its beautiful sights and things around it...and its success...

zibblu · 08-27-2007, 01:21 AM

from my view point America is a pretty scary place. I like it better in NYC where I live.

John Scott · 08-27-2007, 05:17 AM

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from my view point America is a pretty scary place. I like it better in NYC where I live.

Ok....

Ferre · 08-27-2007, 07:05 AM

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from my view point America is a pretty scary place. I like it better in NYC where I live.

From my point of view, America is a Theatre 'd Absurd. And mainly because of their policies, both international and internal.

kristeejo · 08-27-2007, 07:25 AM

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from my view point America is a pretty scary place. I like it better in NYC where I live.

uh sweetheart....

*whisper* NYC is in America.....

Ferre · 08-27-2007, 07:32 AM

Yeah, but it used to be Dutch when it was still called New Amsterdam, there must be some positive influence left.

zibblu · 08-27-2007, 10:38 AM

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uh sweetheart....

*whisper* NYC is in America.....

Technically, sure. But NYC is as different from "the heartland of America" as France is. Thank the Spaghetti Monster for that!

And I think most New Yorkers are as disgusted by George W Bush and the ignorance of the average American as Europeans are. I certainly am.

We lag greatly behind the rest of the world in so many areas and I blame that entirely on the vast wasteland between NY & LA

zibblu · 08-27-2007, 10:40 AM

Of course I'm not being entirely serious. There are a couple of other cool places in America.. Austin... San Francisco. And um... ?

krahmaan · 08-30-2007, 01:46 AM

Great subject Mr. Keith Cash.

I think America is the richest country on the PLANET. Land of the free and home of the brave!

Many may not know, but some of the wisest people come here. I mean (great souls) guys like Gandhi.

ewomack · 08-30-2007, 11:17 AM

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We lag greatly behind the rest of the world in so many areas and I blame that entirely on the vast wasteland between NY & LA

Heh... NY and LA determine the direction of America far more than any city in Iowa, Idaho, Nebraska, etc. Those two major cities are the voice of America, not the rustbelt and the plains. The problem is that the "wasteland" exists even within NYC and LA. And if those 2 cities didn't support it in some way then it wouldn't be occurring. We're all in this together.

zibblu · 08-30-2007, 12:53 PM

ewomack i'm referring to the direction of politics in this country and why we are still so far behind europe as far as progressive policies (universal health care for an obvious example.)

and it's the "vast wasteland" (and yes i say that somewhat, but not entirely, tongue in cheek) that is responsible for our current president being in office.

John Scott · 08-30-2007, 03:04 PM

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progressive policies

Why not just call them socialist? It just seems like you're trying to hide your agenda when you refer to "progressive policies".

zibblu · 08-30-2007, 11:42 PM

it's a battle of semantics of course. conservatives have rather successfuly demonized words like "liberal" and "socialism" ... "progressive" may be a bit harder to demonize. plus I think it's the most apt word for what i believe in.

there are always people who think that things should stay the way they are (conservatives) merely because that's the way they've always been. they are the people are always wrong, about everything. progressive is the opposite of that. it's looking for ways to move society, human rights, & civil liberties forward. equal opportunity for everyone. at least that's how i see it.

i guess conservatives see it as "maybe i can't take advantage of poor people as easily when there aren't so many poor people" ? I don't know. different perspectives I guess.

John Scott · 08-31-2007, 12:16 AM

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conservatives have rather successfuly demonized words like "liberal" and "socialism" ... "progressive" may be a bit harder to demonize.

Conservatives demonized the the words? Or the concepts are clear and have much opposition so it's better to use words that are more ambiguous?

If you believe in a concept, stand by it. If you believe in socialism, instead of preaching it under a different name, preach it as socialism.

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there are always people who think that things should stay the way they are (conservatives) merely because that's the way they've always been.

American Conservatives are not the same as (lower case) conservatives, any more than Liberals are the same as (lower case) liberals.

Liberalism (capital L) is not about Liberty. It's about socialism. It's about imposing popular morality on the individuals. It's about sacrificing individual liberty and rights for the perceived good of the masses. It isn't about liberty, or liberality. Capital "L" makes a ton of difference.

Same with Conservatives. American Conservatives are not wanting to keep the "status quo". That's about as stupid an idea there ever was. The Conservatives (capital C) want smaller government, more individual liberty, less socialism, less government interference, more freedoms.

It's essentially Big Brother socialism vs Small Government individualism.

John Scott · 08-31-2007, 12:19 AM

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i guess conservatives see it as "maybe i can't take advantage of poor people as easily when there aren't so many poor people" ? I don't know. different perspectives I guess.

Conservatives tend to be the ones who give to charity. Liberal Democrats, instead of giving themselves just write legislation to give other peoples' money to charity, under penalty of prison.

The idea that Conservatives want to some how take advantage of the poor - this betrays an uneducated, emotive approach to politics, and it's without foundation in reality.