What do you Think of America

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Sorry you didn't see video of the planes crashing, or of the funerals, or hear tapes of hijacked passengers cell phone conversations,

These proof that the event happened, which no one disputes.

Originally Posted by John Scott

or see the results of the investigations showing exactly who the hijackers were.

Now here we are getting somewhere. Again, you show me no proof.

As far as who the hijackers are, I take it that you are not aware of the fact that many of the alledged hijackers presented as the culprits by the US gov. later turned out to be alive and well and to have nothing to do with 9/11 or any terrorist activity?
http://www.reopen911.org/hijackers.htm
I also think you are not aware of the FACT that none of the alledged hijackers presented by the US gov. can be found on the passenger lists from the hijacked planes?

This makes the US gov. statement on who did it unreliable wouldn't you say?

Originally Posted by John Scott

If only you had the slightest inclination to know the truth, you could, but as long as you balk at the idea, there is no hope for you.

I do not claim I know the truth, I'm looking for it like anyone else, I'm just sifting the crap from the facts.

You should be smarter than getting personal again John, why don't you show me that famous proof instead?

[John Scott]

You should be smarter than getting personal again John, why don't you show me that famous proof instead?

There you go with your feigned blindness again.

Now here we are getting somewhere. Again, you show me no proof.

You say that with your eyes held shut.

As far as who the hijackers are, I take it that you are not aware of the fact that many of the alledged hijackers presented as the culprits by the US gov. later turned out to be alive and well and to have nothing to do with 9/11 or any terrorist activity?

Flight 11: Mohamed Atta, Satam al-Suqami, Waleed al-Shehri, Wail al-Shehri, Abdulaziz al-Omari

Flight 175: Marwan al-Shehhi, Fayez Banihammad, Mohand al-Shehri, Hamza al-Ghamdi,

Flight 77: Hani Hanjour, Khalid al-Mihdhar, Majed Moqed, Nawaf al-Hazmi, Salem al-Hazmi

Flight 93: Ziad Jarrah, Ahmed al-Nami, Saeed al-Ghamdi, Ahmed al-Haznawi

Which of those hijackers is still alive?

[Ferre]

Sure, what about these?

http://www.reopen911.org/hijackers.htm

These show that the original report can not be regarded as credible.

Credible means that one cannot find lies, remember? Credible means without any doubt, remember?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Flight 11: Mohamed Atta, Satam al-Suqami, Waleed al-Shehri, Wail al-Shehri, Abdulaziz al-Omari

Flight 175: Marwan al-Shehhi, Fayez Banihammad, Mohand al-Shehri, Hamza al-Ghamdi,

Flight 77: Hani Hanjour, Khalid al-Mihdhar, Majed Moqed, Nawaf al-Hazmi, Salem al-Hazmi

Flight 93: Ziad Jarrah, Ahmed al-Nami, Saeed al-Ghamdi, Ahmed al-Haznawi

Which of those hijackers is still alive?

Answer the question. Which of these is still alive? Answer the question. Answer the question, answer the friggen question.

http://www.911myths.com/ <- Download proof to your heart's content.

[G10]

Originally Posted by DortHore

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It actually pains me to do this

[G10]

The article mentions the men with stolen identities but it doesn't actually show them over there now, living and chatting to the press as lets face it, this is the first thing that would have happened.

I find that difficult to take in as it just says names and would be easy enough to fake for them as well as the USA.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Answer the question. Which of these is still alive? Answer the question. Answer the question, answer the friggen question.

http://www.911myths.com/ <- Download proof to your heart's content.

To answer your question, I don't know, what we DO know is that the list of alledged hijackers contains names from people that were not at all on those planes and are still alive today.

As for the others, who knows, but when we find flaws this huge I'd say that re-investigating is in order here.

That 911myths.com site, now THAT's credible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpVqu...elated&search=

[Ferre]

BTW. Discussions like this one, and all the hundreds of similar discussions all over the world on various forums and websites only proves that there should be a new investigation in these events. This would shut up those who are asking all those questions now. Doesn't it make you wonder why the US government isn't interested in getting the whole truth out?

[KeithCash]

Being American I am not into conspiracy theories.

I do think there is enough evidence to call for an investigation

Like extra tanks on second tower plane. A REPORTER REPORTED IT HAD NOT WINDOWS

No plane hit the pentagon, had to be an explosive. NO PLANE EVIDENCE. look close at the pictures, no debri


I know I know where if it was not the planes reported that hit the towers or pentagon where are the people. Siberia maybe.


I did not believe, until I saw a disk on 9/11 that brought all this to light.

LOL! Have investigation by the British, no allie, maybe French, ok French

We just need some answers

Cheers

[mauiman]

Alright, you guys are really starting to piss me off.

I held my cousin's wallet and other personal belongings in my hands. Or what was left of them. The wallet was charred and obviously had been fried badly.

I had to drive the ziplock bag of what was left from he and his wife down to Southern Virginia and hand it to my Aunt and Uncle.

Before you blurt out complete and utter nonsense based on watching a few bogus clips on the Internet or even worse refer to some pics making there way around this brainfree internet keep in mind that there are real people that lost family on 9/11.

In addition, my mom used to work in an office building overlooking the Pentagon and she and the rest of the people in her office heard the plane fly by and they watched the aftermath.

It was only hours later that she called me and said my aunt had called and was concerned because here son, my cousin, hadn't called from California yet. Kenny and his wife were on their way together for the start of a 3 week vacation.

My mom asked me to contact their employer, American Airlines, to try and find out what the hell happened. I started calling at about 5 p.m.. I finally got through at about 6 and was told by the lady that they were NOT on the plane. I couldn't get through to my mom or aunt so I drove to the store and bought a 6 pack and proceeded to drink.

Finally my mom called me and I gave her the fantastic news. She asked me if I had mentioned that they were flight attendants and my heart sank. They were. I called AA and after getting shuffled from person to person a very nice lady got on the line and asked me a lot of questions before giving me the devastating news.

I was sick. Still am. The brutal memories of that day haunt all of us who were close to people lost that day and indeed most Americans.

To hear and read this crap about it being a conspiracy or anything other then what it was is as bad as hearing that millions of muslims and others around the world cheered. I'd recommend to those of you who want this to be a conspiracy or are simply trying to inflict more pain on Americans because you "despise" us to just shutup. You'll never know the truth because you just ignore it when you learn it. 9/11 was very real. And no our government wasn't behind it.

Thanks for listening.

[KeithCash]

mauiman;

I am very sorry for your loss, no disrespect to all that lost someone in 9/11.

I agree with you it sounds like crap, the pentagon plane crash, plane parts were a no show, and I like you thing is all crap, but sometimes I think too much in box, now with some of the stuff I have seen.

I would like answers, I am not a kook, I do not have any attachments to the 9/11, I am sorry that this makes you mad.

All is good David.

[mauiman]

The answers you're seeking are to questions that have been created by jerks who have manipulated pictires and video to create the very crud that is being perpetuated in this thread and others like it all other the net.

The pictures circulating from the pentagon that don't show an airplane are a hoax. I'll stand by my mom's account where she actually WATCHED the flames and wreckage from her office window.

Just how many people do you think would have to be in on the conspiracy to pull this off? Everyone in Manhattan and Crystal City VA on that morning. Airport video footage, news coverage from ALL sorts of media, and the nice little touch of them delivering my cousin's charred wallet with his license still inside. Just in case I wasn't sure if it really happened or not and was buying into the theories you're swallowing.

Don't be an idiot and believe the propaganda please. You seem like a nice guy and you should spend your time doing worthwhile and positive things for people. Maybe help one of those descendents of a Nigerian billionaire get their money over to the U.S..

[Ferre]

mauiman, although your story is kinda heartbrteaking, it seems a little hard to believe. For one, I find it a little hard to believe that the US government would give this wallet and belongings to you (a cousin) instead of directly to the parents. Seems a little odd.

What was your cousin's name?

[viswablr]

5 of my colleagues lost their lives in the WTC tower crashes.

[viswablr]

I borrow the following quote from Rice.

"USA is the only country in the world where it does not matter where you came from, but where you want to go"

[KeithCash]

Originally Posted by mauiman

The answers you're seeking are to questions that have been created by jerks who have manipulated pictires and video to create the very crud that is being perpetuated in this thread and others like it all other the net.

The pictures circulating from the pentagon that don't show an airplane are a hoax. I'll stand by my mom's account where she actually WATCHED the flames and wreckage from her office window.

Just how many people do you think would have to be in on the conspiracy to pull this off? Everyone in Manhattan and Crystal City VA on that morning. Airport video footage, news coverage from ALL sorts of media, and the nice little touch of them delivering my cousin's charred wallet with his license still inside. Just in case I wasn't sure if it really happened or not and was buying into the theories you're swallowing.

Don't be an idiot and believe the propaganda please. You seem like a nice guy and you should spend your time doing worthwhile and positive things for people. Maybe help one of those descendents of a Nigerian billionaire get their money over to the U.S..

I am positive I would like some real answers, I do not want to keep drinking the koolaid, I just want some answers, If they are "proven" wrong, I will stand up like a man a agree with them, I never belive in propaganda, If I did or anyone else agree then the defeat of Hitler during WWII was a defeat against god, because Hitler set up his war as the next crusade to rid itself of non believers, not to get off the topic.

There just not enough "Logic answers" on the Pentagon damage or the reason the second tower plane did not have windows.

Food for thought, try to refrain for the stupid sh--, and discuss the facts, and my Nigerian check is due in about 42 days after I give them $4000.00 transfer fee charge.

LOL Cheers

[mauiman]

Originally Posted by Ferre

mauiman, although your story is kinda heartbrteaking, it seems a little hard to believe. For one, I find it a little hard to believe that the US government would give this wallet and belongings to you (a cousin) instead of directly to the parents. Seems a little odd.

What was your cousin's name?

Ken and Jennifer Lewis - They were only allowed to be working the same flight because they were starting a 3 week vacation at the end of the flight (LA).

They were married and flight attendants on AA #77. You'll find their names on the monument at the Pentagon.

Without going into every detail to prove my truthfulness I'll just elaborate a little because you're right about them not handing his wallet to me. My mom brought the wallet home from Farmville (aunt and uncle's home) and showed it to all of us (cousins) along with other items in the bag. Wasn't much left.

I have no problem with you questioning me by the way, but I don't want to disclose anymore personal information then I have already. I'll just say you may be able to google their names and throw in that they were from Culpeper Virginia, which is where they're buried. Their parents live in Farmville Virginia.

Not sure if these facts will lead you to believe me especially based on your track record, but I hope they do because I only posted what I posted in the hopes that some of you who are buying into some of the BS out there would at least not buy into with such reckless disregard for what so many witnessed from that day and those that followed.

The technology we are surrounded by today makes it all to easy to twist reality to push an agenda or just to divert attention. It's true that governments have to watched very carefully because they can do serious damage with lies or worse using technology. But, I have no doubt about what caused the planes to crash in NYC and the Pentagon. The PA crash on the other hand may have been taken down to prevent any further damage, but I would understand the why's of that decision both the downing and any coverup so I choose not to concern myself with digging into it.

Heck, I was one of those who thought Janet Reno and the ATF had slaughtered dozens of Davidians in Waco and then covered it up. I also got wrapped up in the similar "movement" that almost had me believing the Oklahoma City bombing was part of something other than what we had been told. In hindsight I can honestl say that my gullability was due in large part from my hate of Clinton. Like so many today I almost WANTED it to be true because I wanted him out of there.

I don't blindly trust our government and if you've read my post about what we did to the Nation of Hawai'i you'd at least give me some credit for trying to see things as objectively as possible. Our government has done some rotten things, but I just don't think something on the scale of what happend on 9/11 could be anything other then what millions of eyeballs tell them it was. I think the odds of it being an "inside" job are 0%. The only reason the theory got any traction is the hatred for Bush and the use of technology to use that to cause more damage to Bush, the U.S. and to further weaken international support for efforts to fight the extremists.

I'm curious if those of you who are sure of what I am happened to watch the events on the news as they happened or if you only saw the clips afterwards? I watched everything other then the 1st plane hitting the tower live as it happened. I know what I saw, I know what the people being interviewed say they saw, etc.... The only pics or video I've seen from that day that don't "fit" or match what I saw that morning are those some of you apparently haven't recognized for what they are.

Any way... sorry I got a bit upset the other day. Just do yourself a favor and spend a little time trying to disprove the conspiracy theory and I bet you'll be surprised at how easy that is compared to making a case for one.

Cheers

mauiman
P.S. If the facts above didn't convince you that I was Kenny's cousin here's a factoid that a non-relative would not likely know: Kenny's mother's maiden name is Dowdy as was my mother's. Each of them was 1 of 13 children, 10 girls and 3 boys. I hope you can at least accept my personal story as fact so we don't get distracted from the much more important goal of laying to rest the insane theory that there was a gov conspiracy of some sort.

[robert s.]

this evening i had some free time so i actually followed some of the links from this thread, concerning the 9/11 incident. i had NO idea that the whole thing is still that big in America and i had NO idea that there are actually people out there, claiming the things flying into the twin towers were not planes but some kind of missiles.
jesus christ, i am just the village idiot here, but the second PLANE crushing into the tower was LIVE on worldwide TV. (must be SOME conspiracy, if you actually manage to produce a fake video tape of a plane crashing into the tower, of course in digital quality, distribute it to lets say 50 tv stations, get them to play it all exactly at the same time AND get them {journalists!!!} to shut up about the whole thing!) this is as likely as flying pigs and singing cows!

however, i think that not all questions are answered. names missing on the passenger lists and many more. but to speak about a government conspiracy is pretty far fetched - the government is just being played, like we all are.

was 9/11 a terrorist attack from al qaida? absolutely! did the government know about it before? absolutely not? did the terrorists have supporters in america, helping them? absolutely - but not from government or cia or fbi, but some "guys with connections", like weapons industry and oil industry.

i think it is one of these cases, where somebody helps somebody in just one tiny little thing, without even seeing 10 % of the big picture. and somebody else helped there a little bit and somebody calls a favor there and somebody here..... and at the end - KAAABOOOOM! and everybody -even the helping "somebodies", are shocked! ("oh ****, i did not want THAT to happen!" and similar.....)

everybody, even only remotely involved is running for cover - al qaida is proudly claiming full responsibility - and bush starts the wars, he wanted to start anyway. everybody is happy and satisfied - except "us normal people". we end up screwed - like most of the times!

so in short: was al qaida behind the attack? yes! did they even remotely expect to be that successful? no! was the government involved? no, but possibly some mid level staffers, who did not even know what was about to hit them!

[mauiman]

Originally Posted by viswablr

I borrow the following quote from Rice.

"USA is the only country in the world where it does not matter where you came from, but where you want to go"

Thank you for your kind thoughts about my country. If you're not already a neighbor here in the U.S., I hope you will be someday soon even if only for a visit.

Sorry about your friends! Especially for their families. It's a horrible way to lose someone as the day is still on a lot of minds and in the public eye. As soon as you start putting the memories of the day into the right compartment (distant memories) they get pulled right back to the front.

Remembering is good though because another attack is imminent and the more it's on our minds the better chance we have that someone will notice and report something that's just out of whack.

Cheers

[Zap]

There's a big difference between saying that the CIA created the 9/11 attacks and saying that there are a lot of unansweed questions surrounding the 9/11 attacks. There has been a lot of evidence put forth that doesn't jive with the facts as presented by the government. A full and open investigation would separate the bull from reality.
Unfortunately, too many people don't see that.

I, like many others, think there is sufficient confusion about what happened to warrant a full, independant and impartial investigation and hopefully clear up all of these questions once and for all. The people who accept the official version of events should welcome this, if for no other reason than putting BS claims to rest, once and for all. The truth should be the end goal, here, and not proving a particular theory.