What's your definition of "God"? - Page 17

Atom · 02-02-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by StrongInTheArm

I see. Health is another thing entirely. There are things I wish I could do again. Turning to religion wouldn't help me though.

Is my weak attempt to steer this thread back to the point at hand as transparent as I think it is?

No, nice job.

Well, if religion won't help you, try God. He/it may hear you and change your wish, through you.

bochgoch · 02-02-2008, 12:19 PM

We all have our own God ...

Grace, beauty and soul ... that's were my God lies

ggmedia · 02-04-2008, 09:05 PM

I grew up a Christian..but unlike 99% of you I started to learn history and realized what a f&^%$$ joke it is. You can clearly see for yourselves that a lot of the stories are taken from religions pre-dating Christianity by thousands of years...story of moses and the 10 commandments, the flood, virgin birth, crucified and reborn. There's no shred of evidence Jesus ever existed and the Bible was put together by a bunch of powerful politicians(Constantine) leaving out dozens of other "gospels" all of which written by men who never ever knew "Jesus"

Look it up people or watch Zeitgeist to get you started. It has some decent facts..some..

DarthMall · 02-05-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ggmedia

I grew up a Christian..but unlike 99% of you I started to learn history and realized what a f&^%$$ joke it is. You can clearly see for yourselves that a lot of the stories are taken from religions pre-dating Christianity by thousands of years...story of moses and the 10 commandments, the flood, virgin birth, crucified and reborn. There's no shred of evidence Jesus ever existed and the Bible was put together by a bunch of powerful politicians(Constantine) leaving out dozens of other "gospels" all of which written by men who never ever knew "Jesus"

Look it up people or watch Zeitgeist to get you started. It has some decent facts..some..

What are you smoking? There is evidence of Jesus existing. There is no evidence of him actually being the son of God, but he did exist. Muslims recognize jesus as a prophet. Why do you think History is a joke. I learned history too and think it useful. Sorry, just they way you wrote that I thought you were discrediting history, not christianity.

I was just having this argument the other day with one of my relatives who said they are not voting for Obama because he was raised as a Muslim. All religions have the same basic concept. Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are all essentially the same. Religion is a way for people to have some shred of hope and a way for there to be peace among people. Unfortunately this backfired and religion was and still is the main reason for Global violence and terrorism.

ggmedia · 02-05-2008, 02:32 PM

Show me links to proof that Jesus, son of Joseph, that exists. As far as I'm concerned the "Shroud of Turin" and other so called proof just doesn't cut it.

ggmedia · 02-05-2008, 02:34 PM

"http://www.sowhataboutjesus.com/existed.php"

the endless number of sites like this with no viable proof. Buncha bollocks

Atom · 02-05-2008, 05:53 PM

I don't know of any real proof that Jesus existed.

Atom · 02-05-2008, 06:02 PM

And so what if he did, right?

Rankenstein · 02-06-2008, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DarthMall

I was just having this argument the other day with one of my relatives who said they are not voting for Obama because he was raised as a Muslim.

This is a lie put about by Republicans. He was not raised as a Muslim.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS...bama.madrassa/
Typical Republican dirty tricks - like the Swift Boat Veterans BS.

John Scott · 02-06-2008, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rankenstein

This is a lie put about by Republicans. He was not raised as a Muslim.
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS...bama.madrassa/
Typical Republican dirty tricks - like the Swift Boat Veterans BS.

LOL!!!

From the source that you quote:

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Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam

Since when is Hill a Republican?

And since when does that answer the point raised by the OP:

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I was just having this argument the other day with one of my relatives who said they are not voting for Obama because he was raised as a Muslim.

Does he say anything about "madrassa"?? No, so your point is what? Obama himself says that he went to Muslim school.

The correct answer to the point raised is, so what if he was? Being raised as a Muslim doesn't discredit a person in and of itself. The are many fine people who were raised as Muslim and have done good things.

I swear, trying to use Hillary's crap to trash Republicans, as if the Democrats were not wallowing in the same tub of feces.

What are we going to hear next, that the Liberals aren't welfare statists?

arcel · 02-06-2008, 06:32 AM

God for me is something mythical...

Rankenstein · 02-06-2008, 06:41 AM

John,

Damn, I've been rumbled!

I put in something about 'probably Hillary's been doing it too' but that would have detracted from the anti-Republican message I was pushing. So I took that bit out before posting it.

Anyhow, It was the way Fox News jumped on it that gave people the idea nationwide. I'm surprised people watch it - Fox is about as unbiased as the Socialist Worker.

For the record, in Indonesia, Obama attended a Catholic school first, then a public i.e. non-denominational school. He was not raised as Muslim, never attended a Muslim school and regularly attends a church in Chicago. But as you say, it shouldn't even be an issue, unless you are prejudiced.

I don't know how it is in America but we have quite a few elected Muslim politicians in the UK. That's not to say it wouldn't be an issue though. A Muslim Prime Minister would be a very tough sell.

Snopes has a good page on it. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

John Scott · 02-06-2008, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rankenstein

He was not raised as Muslim, never attended a Muslim school

As per your source:

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Obama has noted in his two books, "Dreams From My Father" and "The Audacity of Hope," that he spent two years in a Muslim school and another two years in a Catholic school while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10.

John Scott · 02-06-2008, 07:17 AM

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while living in Indonesia from age 6 to 10

That's funny. If I ever ran for president, whoa. I already had two convictions by the time I was 14.

DarthMall · 02-06-2008, 08:38 AM

Too bad that text does not get saved when you accidentally hit a link, then hit the back button.

Anyway....
-You can not prove that jesus existed. There is no skeleton or any pictures. Jesus does not have a facebook account. So there are no links that prove he existed. There are books (the bible and the Qur’an) that identify Jesus. That's all we have as far as proof. believe what you want to about his powers and his true identity,who is parents were, whatever, but it is documented that some guy named Jesus did exist.

-I think Obama is God and I am starting a religion based on his teachings. In the US you only need 7 people to start your own religion so ......who is with me? Undoubtedly, Obama will be our dear, blessed, holy, spiritual, and political leader. Come on folks let's spread the good word and holy teachings of the Obamist movement.

KeithCash · 02-10-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthMall

Too bad that text does not get saved when you accidentally hit a link, then hit the back button.

Anyway....
-You can not prove that jesus existed. There is no skeleton or any pictures. Jesus does not have a facebook account. So there are no links that prove he existed. There are books (the bible and the Qur’an) that identify Jesus. That's all we have as far as proof. believe what you want to about his powers and his true identity,who is parents were, whatever, but it is documented that some guy named Jesus did exist.

-I think Obama is God and I am starting a religion based on his teachings. In the US you only need 7 people to start your own religion so ......who is with me? Undoubtedly, Obama will be our dear, blessed, holy, spiritual, and political leader. Come on folks let's spread the good word and holy teachings of the Obamist movement.

Darth, not raining on your parade. Jesus, the greek translate name was a popular name, In the bible Jesus was in prison with another Jesus. Did they get the correct Jesus when he taken to the cross. Just a thought.

There is more info that was discussed by ggmedia. They are correct so far with the information about Jesus.

LOL

Rankenstein · 02-06-2008, 08:46 AM

Starting your own religion worked for L. Ron Hubbard, and for whoever that guy who invented the Mormons was, (the name Brigham Young leaps to mind but I don't think he started it), so it might not be a bad move for Obama.

DarthMall · 02-11-2008, 12:04 PM

Uhhh, Let's hope not, because if they didn't get the right guy, then Mary the mother and Mary Magdeline (or however you spell it) and the others who supposedly witnessed it were mistaken too. The whole story of the persecution, crucifixion, and ascension are only backed by faith that the Bible is true. Other than faith, there is not much historical support of these events. Enough about Jesus already, lets talk about our soon-to-be savior Obama.

KeithCash · 02-11-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthMall

Uhhh, Let's hope not, because if they didn't get the right guy, then Mary the mother and Mary Magdeline (or however you spell it) and the others who supposedly witnessed it were mistaken too. The whole story of the persecution, crucifixion, and ascension are only backed by faith that the Bible is true. Other than faith, there is not much historical support of these events. Enough about Jesus already, lets talk about our soon-to-be savior Obama.

I think the first thing we need to get correct is his name.
People say O-BAH-MA

in ALA-BAMA it is pronounced O-BAMA

Now McCain is good Scottish Name.

in ALA-BAMA it is pronounced MAC-CHILLARY

JJ

John Scott · 02-22-2008, 08:12 AM

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If you hold that life had to be created because abiogenesis is impossible, then why wouldn't god have to be created too?

I don't believe I mentioned abiogenesis. This has nothing to do with origin of life. I think the topic you were addressing was First Cause, or origin of matter.

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Am I missing something?

Format the argument logically. The "First Cause needs a Cause", and the error should be self evident.