What's your definition of "God"? - Page 17

StrongInTheArm · #**321** (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DarthMall

So where did all the stuff come from. Carl Sagan said it best; "We are all star dust." So where did the star dust come from? I don't know, but it comes from some central force. There must be some root of existence, some place or some thing that all the elements came from to create stars and planets and ultimately, humans.

That would be the big bang. Procreation always starts with a bang.

jdspc · #**322** (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 12:56 AM

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We are stardust
Billion year old carbon
We are golden
Caught in the devils bargain
And weve got to get ourselves
Back to the garden

Joni Mitchell

I just had to do it...

Atom · #**323** (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 02:00 AM

If humans evolved from stardust, I'll eat my hat. Raw.

Atom · #**324** (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 04:24 AM

I believe that nature is a scientific expression of the supernatural.

Atom · #**325** (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 04:29 AM

I do not believe that what constitutes a human being is natural. I believe it is supernatural.

jdspc · #**326** (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Atom

I do not believe that what constitutes a human being is natural. I believe it is supernatural.

Whatever set the 'rules' in motion is supernatural maybe, but what constitutes a human is natural.

Atom · #**327** (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jdspc

... but what constitutes a human is natural.

I completely disagree.

jdspc · #**328** (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Atom

I completely disagree.

To disagree with me is unnatural, for I am always wrong.

Atom · #**329** (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 04:47 AM

The body only makes this constitution appear to be natural, IMO, but the very essence of the constitution is supernatural, again, IMO.

Atom · #**330** (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jdspc

To disagree with me is unnatural, for I am always wrong.

Atom · #**331** (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 04:54 AM

I believe that the body is simply the scientific expression, as I mentioned above.

jdspc · #**332** (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 04:55 AM

The body is a natural container, housing a supernatural entity...
The same supernatural entity mixed up the recipe to form (constitute) the human.

From the hyper-metabolic kitchen...

Atom · #**333** (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jdspc

The body is a natural container, housing a supernatural entity... ...

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by jdspc

The same supernatural entity mixed up the recipe to form (constitute) the human.

From the hyper-metabolic kitchen...

It is my contention that what actually constitutes a human being is neither human, nor scientifically natural in any way, shape or form. It is supernatural, IMO.

Atom · #**334** (**permalink**) 01-26-2008, 05:49 AM

An ape's constitution is completely natural, a human being's is not, IMO. We humans are spiritual creatures, nature is simply academic. Again, IMO.

StrongInTheArm · #**335** (**permalink**) 01-27-2008, 08:45 AM

Neurotheologists have found that the spiritual experiences of people, from Tibetan monks to Franciscan nuns have certain things in common. It would seem that prayer and meditation produce very similar results, both as described by the people experiencing them, and in the brains of volunteers as viewed by neurobiologists. Such experiences are very often described in terms that blur the lines between self and 'not-self'; people describe how they are at one with the world or universe and that they no longer existed as separate entities. They also describe how they feel the presence of God, how they are at one with Him and how they hear His voice. They even feel absorbed into His being, or speak of His being permeating theirs. They experience timelessness, infinity, centring, quieting, nothingness, and out-of-body experiences. Can all of this really be described and witnessed using a glorified X-ray machine which tracks blood around your head? Strangely enough, yes...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A933635
If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him. (Voltaire)

Atom · #**336** (**permalink**) 01-27-2008, 09:24 AM

That's some interesting giberish. I do, however, find religious giberish much more interesting.

StrongInTheArm · #**337** (**permalink**) 01-27-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Atom

If humans evolved from stardust, I'll eat my hat. Raw.

Carbon is a natural element that can only be produced within a star. During a star's final death throws vast amounts of carbon are released into the region around the star. Our bodies are composed at a molecular level of 18% carbon, also oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus.

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthi...dyelements.htm

Hence the origins of the phrase, we are made of stardust. The first person I heard of referring to this phrase, perhaps its originator, was Carl Sagan.

Atom · #**338** (**permalink**) 01-27-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by StrongInTheArm

Carbon is a natural element that can only be produced within a star. ...

Who told you that, God? If so, then you actually have a chance of me believing that, otherwise, not a chance.

jdspc · #**339** (**permalink**) 01-27-2008, 10:46 AM

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Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.

Buddha

Atom · #**340** (**permalink**) 01-27-2008, 10:49 AM

I'll tell you what doesn't agree with my common sense, and that is humans evolving from stardust, even if their bodies actually did, which I highly doubt, also due to my common sense.