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Old 04-01-2004, 11:37 PM
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Common America

I discussed briefly through PM earlier with Brian the idea of starting up an organization that is committed to promoting the bipartisan co-operation in order to acheive goals to better America and American people.

This organization is founded on the principle that there is always common ground to be found, and with the common ground as a starting point it is possible to work from there in order to achieve goals rather than the constant debate that is such a part of the every day political life.

It is also based on using positive campaigns in order to become elected. I believe that negative campaigning only creates a further division between the parties, and prevents co-operation.

I believe that there are several members of congress that would back such an organization, as well as it will be our duty to recognize individuals who attempt to use these principles to overcome party lines and attempt to run positive campaigns. Individuals like John McCain of Arizona, John Edwards of North Carolina, and Russ Feingold of Wisconson. It is important to recognize and help these individuals in order to change the tone of Washington. It is also important to attempt to lobby and work with other members of congress and pursuade them to seek a more co-operative approach to politics.

As long as Brian wants the title, i'll name him co-founder of the organization. The official name is Common America, and will be located at commonamerica.org. The name simply is to stand for creating a common America rather than the divided one we experience today.

The starting of this will be rather hard. Once the website and content is up I am going to attempt to try to contact a few senators and representatives to see if they will give their backing to this organization. I also will need help from the private sector, as like any organization it will likely have cost.

If anyone is interested in knowing more about it feel free to ask.
 
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Old 04-02-2004, 03:16 AM
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Old 04-02-2004, 06:55 AM
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Sounds like a great idea guys. I tend to be more of a democrat, but I do think a few "republican" views are okay. It's gotten to the point today that people tend to be more prejudiced (in general) to someones political affiliation, than to their race, creed or sex. Anything that might help make a change for the better with this is very welcome.
 
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Old 04-02-2004, 07:32 AM
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I honestly dont fully understand what makes a democrat and what makes a republican.

I have been told time and time again the generalities but non of them fit me.

Honestly I dont care what class I fall under. I vote for whom ever I feel represents my views best.

I love the concept behind the site and I with both of you the best in this endevor.
 
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Old 04-02-2004, 08:10 AM
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fishfreek, I tend to vote for who best fits my views also, and that tends more often than not to be democrats... Just the way it happens. I don't really affiliate with any party... Just try to find the lesser of all evils.
 
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Old 04-04-2004, 02:45 PM
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Just to update you guys on what is going on. I have got a basic design layout down. Now just to write up about 25 pages worth of information, lol.

I am also trying to get some preliminary supporters going, i've sent out a few e-mails to try to get some support in. It seems like it is going to go well, site should be up in a week or so (i tend to not get much work done during the week)
 
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Old 04-04-2004, 03:36 PM
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great idea greg and brian! i think thats really cool, and i support it 99.9%. the other .01% is for myself, of course
 
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Old 04-04-2004, 10:21 PM
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I went ahead and released what I have so far of the site. There are still a few sections to key up some content on, and I am going to put at least one other thing on the front page to take up some space likely. I just wanted to launch it because googlebot has been knocking on my door for a day or two, so I wanted to get some content in real quick.

If you all want to help some backlinks could be really helpful right now while everything is getting kicked off. Let me know if you do give a backlink and i'll add you to the supporters list when it goes up.

I do however regret to announce that brian has decided that he does not want to have an official position. It will be a big loss, however I am going to keep going and try to get this going strong.

Again, any support is helpful, especially right now at the beginning
 
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Old 04-05-2004, 12:35 AM
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I honestly dont fully understand what makes a democrat and what makes a republican.
Typically:

Democrats are pro abortion.
Republicans are anti-abortion.

Democrats believe in a more aggressive social resource redistribution. (Taxes, taxes and more taxes. Then use those taxes to fund social programs such as universal daycare, health care, etc.)

Republicans believe in smaller role for the Gov't. Less taxes. Less social programs.

Democrats are often for gun control. Usually, they would prefer that nobody except police have guns.

Republicans believe that an armed society is a polite society.

Democrats believe that it is better for the Gov't to raise children. They are strong supporters of the various state child protective services that remove children from their families.

Republicans believe that families do a better job of raising their own children.

Democrats believe that crimes are "mistakes" and all criminals should be given the second chances to kill and kill again. They usually believe that criminals need not take responsiblity because they were all abused as children.

Republicans prefer to barbeque criminals. Even the ones that were caught shop lifting.
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Old 04-05-2004, 12:50 AM
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little bit of a bias opinion there john, lol.

For the record, not all Democrats are pro abortion. most honestly don't give a damn.

We feel social distribution of wealth helps create a better society by helping reduce the impact of social class. not to mention some people just are unable to work, those are the ones we go after.

as far as the tax thing. democrats are labled tax and spend. yes that is true, we like to actually pay for the things that we spend instead of the republican spend and spend method.

republicans are every bit big government as democrats now, actually you have a movement among democrats calling for less government than what the current administration has.

we are not for the removal of all guns. only pointless guns like assault weapons, and some want to remove handguns. we believe in right to bare arms. However we feel that murders can be reduced by simply taking weapons away that have one purpose and that is killing. take the brady bill for example, a bill that was actually endorsed by a number of republicans.

not sure where you get the whole we want goverment to raise children. we believe that people who beat the hell out of their kids or are crack heads should not be allowed to raise kids. we usually try to opt for some other family member if at all possible though.

that is a little out dated again. i believe you are refering to the rehabilitation issue. it was proven a while back that it simply doesnt work. most democrats do tend to be against the death penalty. however most are also for criminal work programs which make prisoners work while in prison. that way prisons can be more self-sufficiant. the death penalty gets us into a lot of trouble with the EU because they will not even extridite individuals who are facing the death penalty to the US because they believe our system is inhumane. I've heard it quoted before "the death penalty is not inhumane, in fact it is a good punishment. there is just simply no humane way to carry it out" and that is for the most part how i feel. i think if we just made them work their ass off for the rest of their life it would be a much better deterrant, and wouldn't be inhumane. not to mention cost a whole lot less.
 
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Old 04-05-2004, 12:57 AM
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Greg,

Make no mistake about it. Democrats believe that the family unit is oppressive place where children are indoctrinated with absurd and anti-social religious beliefs. (Oddly enough, communists believe the same thing.)

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It's always good to take a gander at the other side of the political spectrum, do a little "opposition research." For those of you in the "anti-Hillary" camp, I would suggest you start reading all you can about Ms. Rodham, who will very likely be the Democratic presidential nominee in 2008. You can't defeat an opponent until you get inside his/her head, and IT TAKES A VILLAGE is Hillary's vivid socialist manifesto.

Yes, as Ms. Rodham contends, 75 years ago our towns and/or neighborhoods consisted primarily of extended families. Uncle Jake and his brood lived across the street, Cousin Maple had the pink bungalow on the corner, and Grandma and Grandpa lived upstairs. Everyone took an interest in and kept up with everyone else--including the kids. But even back in those days, the ultimate responsibility for a child's well being and upbringing rested exclusively with the parents. Mom and Dad called the shots, no matter what Grandma or Uncle Jake or Cousin Maple thought. Fast forward to today, and Hillary's argument that we must somehow replace the extended family of yesteryear with social workers, bureaucrats, and other outsiders--augmented by socialized health care and education--and the village she advocates is frighteningly Orwellian.

Not that village. Not with my kids.

Ms. Rodham's benign prose fails to mask social activism that has systematically derailed, destabilized, and destroyed the core human values that once were transcendent in our culture... She also has a disquieting affinity with the word, "invest (i.e., "tax")." We must "invest" in our schools, "invest" in our day care centers, "invest" in child health care, "invest" in a myriad of social programs, "invest" to end poverty, homelessness, drug abuse, domestic violence, and every other societal malady one can think of. Never mind the fact that the "investee" perhaps should take some responsibility to alleviate his or her need for "investment dollars"; Ms. Rodham only advocates her view of a village to put a happy face on any situation.

Wonderfully Utopian, but where is the "investment" going to come from?

IT TAKES A VILLAGE gives us a front row view--up close and personal--of Hillary Rodham Clinton's socialist beliefs and activist agenda. Stephen King doesn't write stuff this scary. On the positive side, I give two stars for the ghostwriter.
--D. Mikels --This text refers to the Hardcover edition
From a review of Hillary's "It Takes A Village".
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Old 04-05-2004, 01:01 AM
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Hill is a little on the edge of being crazy with some of her programs though. she is the extreme democrat. I can find some extreme republicans if you want that have some off the wall ideas. But individual people do not make a group.

The majority of democrats do not believe this
 
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Old 04-05-2004, 07:41 AM
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The basic village concept isn't a republican/democrat thing. It's a fact of life. I don't know about most of you, but when I was growing up, I spent more time at my grandparents home than my own, until they passed away. It was by my choice, not my mom's. They helped raise me. And without exteneded family and friends in the child's life, the child never truly understands family and relationships. Also, some parents need the help. There are times that if my fiance's mom didn't take our daughter for a while, I'd go nuts. During the week, I am the equivalent of a single mom. Anyone with kids knows you need that break from them to retain your sanity. During that time, you are trusting your child to someone that you hope is helping to instill the same values and lessons in them that you are. Who better than the people closest to you (i.e. family and friends).

Also, when a child enters school full time, to a certain degree, teachers take on a parenting role. They help guide and mold your child for 13 years of their lives.

I'm not talking totally universal control, but if you look back on your own childhood, how many people did you regularly interact with that helped mold you into who you are today? My guess it was more than just mom and dad. Aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, friends of the family, teachers, etc. The list goes on.
 
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To add to John's list:
Republican women tend to be hotter and more fun to be around.

Female democrats are more likely to have arm pit hair and argue until the wee hours of the morning.


I may not be republican, but I sure like their women
 
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Old 04-05-2004, 10:52 AM
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lol. it is oddly enough true. some of our girls are a little iffy, but they are the strange ones who support PITA and go climb up in trees for fun..... i don't claim to be part of that group, they are the extremist. Extremist right or left are bad.

though i must say, we do have a few good looking ones. go to washington sometime, there are some extremely hot interns there, most democrat, all single
 
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Old 04-05-2004, 11:15 AM
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There are a bunch of hot girls in my scohol that agree with the republican ways of thinking, but the one girl I plan on asking out in a democrat. Bah
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lol, way to decline a date based SOLELY on the poltical choice. i heard of weird people, but that takes the cream
 
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Old 04-05-2004, 03:42 PM
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the only reason why i even think about it is i because i want to go into public office....sometimes it is a little hard if you are running for one party and your spouse is another party. would make it interesting, but knowing me just because everyone is afraid to do it i would just to prove them all wrong and say it is possible
 
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Arnold whathislastname ... and Maria whatsherlastname

I think that's the most unexpected, especially since Maria is related to Teddy.
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