Bin Laden says: Convert to Islam

[ash1]

Originally Posted by John Scott

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070908/...in_laden_video

In unrelated news, Democrats - Allah be with them - are urging all Americans to visit their local mosque.

bin laden doesnt need to say this, i hear this from 100 muslims a day

[fermiop]

Do you believe in it all?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by fermiop

Do you believe in it all?

Believe what?

[TheFriend]

in terrorism ?!?!?
lol fermiop: What do you mean exactly?

[backgammonnn123]

Yep, agrees with John. A great economy is pretty effective in fighting terrorism and has proven so in the past, but i think if we had a chance to do it all over again we would have handled iran in the 1950's differently(long term that is). We helped to participate in(along with the UK) taking out one of the most moderate and peaceful iranian leaders of this century, Mossadegh
who surely would have given us a modern and peaceful iranian nation and not the extremist nuke bound iran of today.

The common people on the most part in iraq want peace, but when you got every tom,dick and harry crossing the borders from every arab nation combining with the extremist elements there, you got serious trouble on your hands.

Now you gotta ask yourself if we should have left saddam in power(albit a much weaker saddam that couldnt attack his neighbors) would we even have this problem now?

[Deejay Dan]

You've got a better chance of seeing Jesus Christ himself come alive off the crucifix on my chest than seeing me convert to Islam because some whack job terrorist says it will bring world peace.

[John Scott]

American attacked Afghanistan and now they are facing difficulties there and are blaming Alqaida for it.

Al Qaeda isn't defending Afghanistan. They are attacking Afghani people who support democracy. They attack Afghani people more than they attack Americans.

[thegamerslink]

The answer to terrorism? Well, there is crime in every city of the world every day. People mugged, beaten, killed. Then there are the Terrorists that do it and then say they did it for a purpose, and instead of killing only 1 person they do it to 10's or 100's at a time. Be them christians, muslims, jews, men, women, or children. Doesn't matter. As long as their statement is made life has no meaning. By the way as for shutting down funding to religious organizations or whatever? Anyone remember Jim Jones from the '70's? What government was funding him? Weak minded or uneducated people are very easily controlled by those with a stronger or more logical/religious voice than their own. It works just like a business marketing by word of mouth.
The only way to stabilize things is like John said. Law, Structure, a good Economy, Education. If you make it possible for people to realize their own freedoms, you allow them the opportunities to be fruitful then you will take the need for broad terrorism away from those that are led towards it. Then all that is left is to deal with those that still exist not to mention the expansion of those the fight against it, much as the clerics and people throughout Iraq are doing now. The U.S. millitary is not there to conquer or destroy but give the opportunity to the Iraqi people to experience those freedoms and opportunities and spread just what I got through saying throughout the Middle East. That is why Al Quaida and Iran are so scared.

Our lack of action in our past is what has brought us to this point, had Jimmy Carter dealt with Iran appropriately and the Democrats of that erra not diminished our military so much then Iran would not be at this point, no need to go back 60 years. Had Clinton responded against those that were truly behind the twin tower bombings in the 90's or gone after those that bombed the USS Stark or any of the other acts that happened on his watch we would not be here now. By appeasing them you only let them know they are safe to try it again and again untill they get it right. They aren't worried about the ones that get caught or killed as long as it doesn't get close to them. That is Osama for you, He's brave with everyone elses life but disappears when his is threatened, just as Sadam was brave as long as it was from a distance and when it got to close he crawled into a hole and hid. Seems like a reoccurring habit for those that lead the radical movements

[John Scott]

I don't get this. Muslim extremists, as demonstrated in this thread, believe their terrorism is justified. So why do you deny being terrorists?

I mean, if you think it's justified, then why deny it? If you really think it's justified, then brag about it. Denying it leads me to believe that you are ashamed of it.

[Kareem]

Originally Posted by John Scott

I don't get this. Muslim extremists, as demonstrated in this thread, believe their terrorism is justified. So why do you deny being terrorists?

I mean, if you think it's justified, then why deny it? If you really think it's justified, then brag about it. Denying it leads me to believe that you are ashamed of it.

John, simple answer to this is, we Muslims, denounce these acts of terrorism, and we do not see these people as being of the same religion as us.

Say a man (of X religion, other than Islam) walks into a school and blows up people in a Muslim community, I'm sure his own kind will denounce him as having anything to do with what they believe in, like us.
However like I said before, you can not educate the ignorent that wish not to listen, and it is people like them, who give people like you, the impression that these terrorists are followers of Islam when in truth they are not, they simply hide behind it. Simple.

A human who rapes, or kills is not of any religion, don't you agree?

[upsonians]

Originally Posted by Kareem

Please, refrain yourself from making ignorant accusations. I am aware of what I am posting, although I can not truthfully say the same about you.



For those not of the same religion. During Friday prayers, things such as "Allah yinsif el Amrican wal yahood al mala3een, Allah yintikim men el lathy la yatako be nafs el deen" which translates to, "May Allah (God) destroy the Americans and Jewish sinners, may Allah (God) have revenge on those who do not follow our same religion"

One would think, being a Muslim, I would hide such truth, but no, you see, many Muslims today are effected by those who run the countries. It's become an internal battle between the truth, and that which the country leaders benefit from. In Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, Egypt, Muslims pray in such a way, because they have no choice, at least Publicly. Many of us Muslims do not think this way, and that is why, we must draw a fine line, between those that follow Islam, as it really is, and those who follow people that mislead and misguide young ones today.




All the above is irrelevant to what you quoted me for having said. Stay on topic, and if you feel you have nothing constructive or intelligent to say then please, don't say it at all.



I'm sorry, the above statement lost you all credibility as being an intelligent person. I will no longer read, nor reply to your posts. It is evident in what you have said so far, that you lack the ability to comprehend facts, and also lack the ability to present your own in defense of the crap you type.

Please, take my advice and go educate yourself further before posting in public forums.

Well kareem i will think over it and form today onward i am completly against Alqaida as i got a new idea here.
I meet a person who recently visited Afghanistan and told me that what Americans did there.He also brought some pics to me and i got surprised that it was the same city of Afghanistan which i visited last year.

So America doing very well and i will try to put those pictures right here so that every one can see the difference.Thanks

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by upsonians

So America doing very well and i will try to put those pictures right here so that every one can see the difference.Thanks

I'm proud of you.

[upsonians]

Originally Posted by John Scott

I'm proud of you.

John thats a fact and i think you should be.
And let me tell you that i get those pics difinitly i will post them on my blog and wil announce here.

[John Scott]

A human who rapes, or kills is not of any religion, don't you agree?

I would hope so.

[thegamerslink]

Would love to see them so please do

[upsonians]

Originally Posted by thegamerslink

Would love to see them so please do

Definitly i will but you have to wait becoz i haven't yet recieved the soft copy.And as i get a scanner i will post them on my blog.
Really they are very interesting.And hope that they will change the mind of those who think that America should leave Afghanistan.