Student tasered for asking Kerry about Skull & Bones

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Ferre

And show me one example of someone who broke his arms while being handcuffed without a taser.

Broken arm from being forced into handcuffs:

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_6659832

Do your homework, Ferre. Seriously I get tired of doing it for you.

Originally Posted by Ferre

Yeah right, being tasered isn't painful. The screeming people do when tasered is out of joy.

Intelligent people would correctly suggest that the pain is an intentional result of a device intended to cause pain for the purpose of securing cooperation. Intelligent people might further suggest that such pain could be avoided by obeying the law and complying with lawful orders from the police officers.

Intelligence is lost on some people, though.

[Jesse Vlasveld]

The guy was expressing hes opinion against that kerry guy. He apparantly wanted to start a discussion on the matter.
It seemed however that the cops thought that they're hero would be offended by it, or hes reputation been taken down. But then go in to the discussion, have an arguement about it.

John, you seem like the rightfull guy, but the cops aren't always right.
Resisting arrest? They had no reason what-so-ever to arrest him, heck, I would resist an arrest like this too. It was plain bull.

And like Ferre said, the tasering.. it's just plain abuse of power. I'd sue the police department.

Originally Posted by Ferre

The dude was already on the floor with four policemen on top of him, all he did was shouting, I think one needs to be a real coward to taser someone in that situation. It was nothing but abuse of power in my view.

[John Scott]

He apparantly wanted to start a discussion on the matter.

No, the kid wanted to heckle Kerry. He didn't allow Kerry a chance to respond. No discussion, no question, just barging to the front of the line, refusing to conduct himself in a way befitting the situation, and pretty much intentionally getting himself forcibly removed.

Why do you think everybody was cheering when they removed him?

[Jesse Vlasveld]

Originally Posted by John Scott

No, the kid wanted to heckle Kerry. He didn't allow Kerry a chance to respond. No discussion, no question, just barging to the front of the line, refusing to conduct himself in a way befitting the situation, and pretty much intentionally getting himself forcibly removed.

Why do you think everybody was cheering when they removed him?

We was making hes point. If they don't even let him end hes sentences by cutting him off several times, they are showing that they are afraid that they might emberass "Kerry".

People start these types of discussions all the time in the Netherlands, we don't have 5 policemen forcefully removing everyone whos doing it.

[thegamerslink]

I always hear about freedom of speech and rights, like that is a free ticket to do anything you want at any time. Do people not realize with rights also come responsibility? If you abuse the rights you lose them. Your rights have to end when they begin to interfere or deny those same rights of others. Why should 1 person have more rights than the other 50 that are there? By the way they were campus police if I'm not mistaken. Not police officers with years of training. That makes all the difference but I believe with as much as he was resisting and causing a scene as well as attempting to incite a riot he would have been tazed even sooner by an actual police officer.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Jesse Vlasveld

We was making hes point. If they don't even let him end hes sentences by cutting him off several times, they are showing that they are afraid that they might emberass "Kerry".

People start these types of discussions all the time in the Netherlands, we don't have 5 policemen forcefully removing everyone whos doing it.

It wasn't his forum to take control of.

So I went to the John Kerry town hall forum this morning trying to get students registered to vote. I run a student government organization called Chomp the Vote. Anyway I went inside to watch the event. Senator Kerry took the podium and began delivering a speech about the Middle East, Iraq, dimplomacy, etc. Anyway, after he was done, a university ambassador asked Kerry a few premade questions. Once that was over, Senator Kerry announced he would take questions from the students. There were two microphones placed on each side of the aisle. One on my side and the other on Andrew Meyer’s side. Senator Kerry began answering the student’s questions from each aisle. Eventually it was announced that there would only be a few more questions answered. Since Meyer and I were both in the back of each line, it did not seem likely that our questions would be answered.

However, while Senator Kerry was responding to a student’s question, all of a sudden Meyer rushed to the microphone with cops in pursuit. At that point no one knew what was going on. Could he have a gun, a bomb? Immediately, Meyer began yelling into the microphone that he had been waiting in line forever and that Senator Kerry should “spend time to answer everyone’s questions!” Senator Kerry tried to calm the student down by telling him that he would “stay here as long as it takes to get the questions answered.” The police approached Meyer who began taunting them by saying “what! are you going to taser me? are you going to arrest me?!” The police grabbed Meyer, but Senator Kerry asked the police to let him go and that he would answer his question. Senator Kerry finished answering the other student’s question and then proceeded with Meyer. (*This entire scene is not in any video I can find so far. This is why 2 cops are seen right behind Meyer at the start of some videos*).

Meyer approached the microphone and began to talk about a book he had which stated that Kerry won the 2004 election because of disenfranchisement of black voters and faulty voter machines that produced “Bush” as the winner. He then posed another question about why President Bush had not been impeached. “President Clinton was impeached because of a blowjob, why not Bush?”. The third and strangest question he posed to Senator Kerry was asking him if he was part of the skull and bones society with Bush at Yale. Meyer’s mic cut off after that, probably because he had mentioned the word “blowjob”.

...I don’t know if this is relevant or not, but Andrew Meyer is a former sports writer for the school newspaper The Alligator. In his columns, he has been known to make ridiculous statements in order to gain attention for himself. Was today a publicity stunt?

So, he cut in line, kept asking question after question, resisted police when they tried to shoo him out (and yes, I do think it was appropriate for security to move him on since his mike had been cut off), kept resisting and making a ridiculous scene, kept fighting after they decided to arrest him, kept on struggling even after they pulled out the taser, and then finally got tased.

Good for the campus police because Meyer deserved what he got.

http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2...?comments=show


I gotta agree. If Dutch people don't mind me talking over them, then maybe I'll go into the Dutch national assembly and sing the US national anthem so loud nobody can discuss anything? Yeah, I believe they would let me do that. And I believe in Tooth Fairies too.

[Jesse Vlasveld]

He wasnt taking control. He was stating hes opinion, if kerry can't handle someones opinion. Don't go to a forum, don't accept people to state they're opinions.

(didnt read the wall of text yet)

[John Scott]

In the Netherlands is it ok to go into anybody's house and state my opinion? Nobody will remove me?

Originally Posted by Jesse Vlasveld

He wasnt taking control. He was stating hes opinion, if kerry can't handle someones opinion. Don't go to a forum, don't accept people to state they're opinions.

LOL. They did not accept people to state their opinions. They allowed people to ask questions for Kerry to answer.

If Andrew wanted to make a speech, like he obviously did, he should have rented his own hall, called the press or his mom or whoever, and he could have talked until he was blue in the face.

As it was, he impeded the rights of Kerry take and answer questions, and impeded the rights of the audience who was there to ask questions of Kerry and hear his responses. In America, we call that a jackass.

[Ferre]

On a side note, Kerry stated clearly that he wanted to answer the dude's question(s), even when they were puling him out Kerry said that he asked an important question and started to answer it. (I viewed the video a couple of times)

Apparently Kerry didn't mind the question or him being obnoxious but *someone* obviously didn't respect a US senator enough to let him answer the dude's questions.

And Jesse is right, this sort of stuff is unthinkable of in our country.

[thegamerslink]

Just a curiousity question Ferre. What is the Dutch population? And how many different cultures are there inside that population?

[cldnails]

I can't believe I haven't chimed in on this yet.

No matter how many times you ask 'What did I do?' does not make you anymore innocent. Pfft, they should have just clubbed him over the head and dragged him out unconcious. Wonder how that would have played out in the bleeding heart blogosphere?

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by thegamerslink

Just a curiousity question Ferre. What is the Dutch population? And how many different cultures are there inside that population?

The population is 16 million people, part of the Netherlands is Friesland, and they have their own culture, and their own language which they teach in their schools. Then we have what is called the oversea provinces, Aruba, Martinique and St Maarten, Islands in the Pacific near Venezuela, South America, of which also a couple of hundred thousand people live in the Netherlands, the "Bijlmer" South east of Amsterdam is where a lot of those people live, it's kind of a "black" part of the Netherlands, they too speak their own language and have their own culture. then of course we have the Maroccan population which are also a couple of hundred thousand people, same as with the Turkish. All of them have a Dutch passport but have their own cultural background.

Here's more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands

The ethnic origins of the citizens of the Netherlands are diverse. The vast majority of the population however still remains Dutch. They were: 80.8% Dutch, 2.4% German, 2.4% Indonesian (Indo-European, Indo-Dutch, Moluccan), 2.2% Turks, 2.0% Surinamese, 1.9% Moroccan, 1.5% Indian, 0.8% Antillean and Aruban, and 6.0% other.[8] However, this does not include the whole Kingdom of the Netherlands (such as the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, which have a non-Dutch majority community), and only includes the population in the Netherlands itself. The Netherlands also has a resident population of some 800,000 people of Indo (mixed Dutch and Indonesian) descent.

why you ask?

[thegamerslink]

I was curious I don't remember alot of details of things from high school or college. I was thinking though that the Dutch culture and community is very much older than the U.S. And the population as I thought but wasn't sure by how much is vastly smaller than that of the U.S. As for culture there are no where near the broadness of cultures making up the Dutch community either. It is much easier for a government or community to be or seem to be much more civilized or harmonious when the cultural differences aren't as broad or new. And the population is only fractional of that from another Nation or community. More than likely the dutch went through some type of cultural and national growing pains but it was probably several hundred years before ours even existed. Also are not your borders much more closed than ours so that those that would enter you country with such different cultures and ideas, or the sole purpose to grow resistence against your way of life or government and community is much less likely and a much smaller proportion to what we have to face in the U.S.?

[Ferre]

Our borders are much more open than yours. Ask anyone who ever visited whether they were questioned by immigration officers, or whether their fingerprints were taken, as the American government is doing with European tourists. I've been in the USA a couple of times and every time I was taken into a "immigration office" and received some sort of interrogation before I was let in. Unthinkable in our country. Compared with the Netherlands, the USA is a fascist police state, at least that's how they act.

Maybe that's where some problems arise from, when people are treated like scum, you can't expect them to respect those who treat them that way.

[Jesse Vlasveld]

The only time we might get checked at the borders is around new year. Dutch people love illegal fireworks.

[robert s.]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Like they have been doing for as long as they have handcuffs, they use their muscles, I've seen them arrest street dealers on numerous occasions and often those guys resist, but two cops just use their muscles. Looking at those fat American cops they might use some exercise to get in physical shape to do that, instead of sitting on a suspect with four (fat-assed) people and still needing to taser someone.

You don't see any fat cops in my town, they have physical conditions required for the job.

I tell you someting else, they don't even draw their guns.

actually ferre, that is not completely correct.the same as in germany, if the resistance gets too strong and the policemen get into danger to get hurt, they draw their sticks....

and i can tell you, given the choice between tazer and stick - i would take the tazer. its painful yes, but no permanent damage (normally)----sticks are breaking bones....

[thegamerslink]

Ferre the more I hear you talk the more I realize that it doesn't really matter what is said or what actions the U.S. does or doesn't do you are always going to find it negative. Or have something bad to say about it and will continue to hate the U.S. But I have a feeling you are also one of those that would yell out and demand action if for some reason something happened or took place and the U.S. did nothing to help.

[Ferre]

Nope, you make wild assumptions.

I do not "hate America", I hate fascism. America is interfering with other countries in a manner which is unacceptable, they violate the Geneva convention, several UN charters and the only reason they get away with is is because of their military force.

America, since WW2 turned into a bully that believes they have the right to police the world, they do not have that right, they interfere with souvereign countries and the only reason they do that is for fanancial gain.

I would NEVER call for America to help any country, that's the job of the alliances like the NATO or the UN. If I would ever feel the need to call for help for a country I would address the UN, NOT America. If the UN don't (want to) help, so be it.

I don't know whether you realize but the first gulf war was a UN mission, NOT an American mission. I agreed with that mission because it was agreed by the member states, of which my country is one that signed agreements and treaties.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Ferre

I do not "hate America".

Ferre, I've known you for years, and this statement is... a lie. You do hate America. For you to say you do not hate America, is silly.

Of course, when you admit that publicly then you lose all credibility and your long line of anti-American postings just look like the ravings of a lunatic, but to deny it is just silly. After all these years of anti-American drivel.

[Jesse Vlasveld]

Erm, Ferre states that he does not "hate" America.
I think he means that he does not like the way things are going over there. The way f.e. the police handles situations like these. The way things are decided.

You do not "hate" a country, you can however dislike parts of it.