Student tasered for asking Kerry about Skull & Bones

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Jesse Vlasveld

Erm, Ferre states that he does not "hate" America.
I think he means that he does not like the way things are going over there. The way f.e. the police handles situations like these. The way things are decided.

You do not "hate" a country, you can however dislike parts of it.

Ferre's hatred of America is not a matter of "dislike", and it isn't fleeting. I dare say that Ferre hates America with more passion than most Muslim terrorists. Combined.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Ferre's hatred of America is not a matter of "dislike", and it isn't fleeting. I dare say that Ferre hates America with more passion than most Muslim terrorists. Combined.

That's bullcrap, but when you choose to believe that be my guest. I guess they never teached you about nuances. For me it's just dislike, I'm not the kind of person who hates things, I don't even hate white fly or trips.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Ferre

That's bullcrap, but when you choose to believe that be my guest. I guess they never teached you about nuances. For me it's just dislike, I'm not the kind of person who hates things, I don't even hate white fly or trips.

The passion you display in your tireless campaign against the US, IMO, can be due to nothing less than pure hatred. Too extreme to be due to mere "dislike".

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

The passion you display in your tireless campaign against the US, IMO, can be due to nothing less than pure hatred. Too extreme to be due to mere "dislike".

Again, that's just your opinion, I find pointing people towards human right violations not an act of extremism, I think more people should do that and protest against those things. Besides, I do not see posting stuff which is mostly published in American news outlets and written by Americans as posting extremist stuff either, and that's what I mostly do.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Again, that's just your opinion, I find pointing people towards human right violations not an act of extremism, I think more people should do that and protest against those things. Besides, I do not see posting stuff which is mostly published in American news outlets and written by Americans as posting extremist stuff either, and that's what I mostly do.

Ferre, if human rights violations were your concern I'd like to see more posting about China, North Korea, Iran, etc, etc. You don't post about those. You do take any military action by the US or police action by US police and apply a thick layer of spin in order to make it fit in with your discredited conspiracy theories.

[thegamerslink]

The gulf war was a U.N sanctioned war led by the U.S. and other allies. Just as the Iraq war was. The only difference was that we did not change the regime at that time at the request of the other middle eastern countries.

[Rankenstein]

Originally Posted by thegamerslink

The gulf war was a U.N sanctioned war led by the U.S. and other allies. Just as the Iraq war was. The only difference was that we did not change the regime at that time at the request of the other middle eastern countries.

The Iraq war was not UN sanctioned. It was illegal according to the UN. How can you not know that?

If memory serves, I think Storming Norman wanted to go on to take Baghdad but he was not allowed to. He should have done, but if Saddam was gone, it scares me to think which nation Dubya would have invaded instead. France maybe?

[thegamerslink]

According to U.N. sanctions placed on Iraq after Desert Storm and the continual sanctions that were added throughout the 90's because of Saddam's defiance gave us the right to go in and attack, not to mention the violation of the Peace Treaty that brought combat actions to an end durring Desert Storm. And yes they should have taken over back then and we wouldn't be there now. But all of the Arab states in the region asked us not to, and if memory serves alot of the nations that allowed us to use bases and air space had that as a prerequisite in the agreement.

[KeithCash]

Originally Posted by G10

I know what you mean juju!

He was a student and should have been tasered on that merit alone, never mind about having the cheek to open his damned mouth!

Police 1
Students 0



Interesting vid btw!

Maybe he had bad grades and the school was ashamed of him

[LottoMagicZ4941]

In Colorado an officer tasered his step daughter and did damage to her eyesite.

Some Westminster cops were caught on video beating up a homeless person.

and if an officer ever charges you with obstruction forget inocent until proven guilty eventhough the officer may be the one in the wrong.

[G10]

Originally Posted by thegamerslink

The gulf war was a U.N sanctioned war led by the U.S. and other allies. Just as the Iraq war was. The only difference was that we did not change the regime at that time at the request of the other middle eastern countries.

On September 16, 2004 Kofi Annan, the Secretary General of the United Nations, speaking on the invasion, said, "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal."

Taken from >Here<

[G10]

Originally Posted by KeithCash

Maybe he had bad grades and the school was ashamed of him

Ok, that tickled me - greened

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by G10

Taken from >Here<

UN Resolution 1441, passed unanimously, authorized use of all necessary means to enforce the previous UN resolutions. This is why the invasion happened with support of so many countries.

And people can whine and complain about WMD all they want, but the fact is that more political prisoners were brutally murdered per day under Saddam than are killed under the current Iraqi government. That's to say, the number of political prisoners killed per day is higher than the TOTAL NUMBER of deaths per day in Iraq now.

So, in essence, opposition to the Iraqi invasion is a vote for death. Opposition to the Iraqi invasion is a vote against freedom, democracy and human rights.

[G10]

I can see that John and it is your point that makes this a difficult situation, whether we went in or not as both ways, the death count was going to go up.

We have to admit though, the US was hell-bent on getting in there one way or another and yes, maybe it was for the correct moral reasons genuinely helping the Iraqi people and others. And, if we were really doing it for human rights reasons then I'll be quiet on this issue.

Resolution 1441 it is slightly murky I'd say but an interesting read.

[mikey.]

I don't think this student should have been tasered, ok yes he waved his arms around and doing that at police automatically sparks a defensive stance in them if not sometimes calling for retaliation, which was the case here. He was a jack ass, no offense, the kid was obviously high on carrot cake and was doing this for a joke or a laugh.

It may be abused by some cops, to tase people that is, but who knows, a bad cop will do about anything to get his way anyhow, be it by shocking you with electricity or jamming his fist in your mouth.

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[Rankenstein]

We weren't doing it for human rights issues and it's crystal clear that the resolution makes no reference to authorising the use of force. Under international law, the invasion was illegal. Everyone knows this.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by G10

I can see that John and it is your point that makes this a difficult situation, whether we went in or not as both ways, the death count was going to go up.

We have to admit though, the US was hell-bent on getting in there one way or another and yes, maybe it was for the correct moral reasons genuinely helping the Iraqi people and others. And, if we were really doing it for human rights reasons then I'll be quiet on this issue.

Resolution 1441 it is slightly murky I'd say but an interesting read.

What it comes down to is pacifism. There are other issues, of course, but it can be reduced to pacifism. There is not other reason to object to liberating Iraq, or any other country for that matter. I am all for liberating every country, and forcing human rights upon everybody.

Maybe the US isn't the ideal nation to be doing it, but somebody should.

[Rankenstein]

Hmmm. Pacifism would probably get us all killed.

I'm actually pretty happy for the US to impose human rights upon dictatorships, if that is the declared aim. But that wasn't Bush's aim at all. He invaded Iraq on the most cynical, self-interested and manipulative bit of chicanery and should be impeached. He sent American boys to die in a foreign land based on a trumped-up lie. As Blair did with our Tommies, in fact. He's a war criminal just like Dubya. Regardless of whatever else I think, American soldiers have my full respect, but if I met Bush I wouldn't shake his hand - he's crooked and he is a war criminal. Fact.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Rankenstein

Hmmm. Pacifism would probably get us all killed.

I'm actually pretty happy for the US to impose human rights upon dictatorships, if that is the declared aim. But that wasn't Bush's aim at all. He invaded Iraq on the most cynical, self-interested and manipulative bit of chicanery and should be impeached. He sent American boys to die in a foreign land based on a trumped-up lie. As Blair did with our Tommies, in fact. He's a war criminal just like Dubya. Regardless of whatever else I think, American soldiers have my full respect, but if I met Bush I wouldn't shake his hand - he's crooked and he is a war criminal. Fact.

A household is being held hostage and murdered. A lying, selfish man with an untoward obsession with canine butts offers to liberate the people. Of course, the only reason he wants to liberate the people is because the house has some of the finest canine butts pictures on display inside. What to do, what to do? Huh. I think I'll give the raving lunatic my full support in liberating the house.

[G10]

Originally Posted by mikey.

I don't think this student should have been tasered, ok yes he waved his arms around and doing that at police automatically sparks a defensive stance in them if not sometimes calling for retaliation, which was the case here. He was a jack ass, no offense, the kid was obviously high on carrot cake and was doing this for a joke or a laugh.

It may be abused by some cops, to tase people that is, but who knows, a bad cop will do about anything to get his way anyhow, be it by shocking you with electricity or jamming his fist in your mouth.

Students!!!

On my course, all they talk about is "Are you on facebook" etc etc etc.... I mean, ffs, give me a taser and I would happily let rip and even turn it on myself afterwards just for being one of them!

My opinion, he wanted his fame and he got it. He kept saying for ages "Don't tase me" so he knew it was coming, he just had to comply and behave but oh no, he knew best. That is, until he met the taze-meister