Muslims as Freedom Fighters and Victims of Western Imperialism

[John Scott]

Recently there is move by the Liberals to make it look like US imperialism provoked the 9-11 attacks. Indeed, some on the Left regard the terrorists as freedom fighters.

However, the Muslims were waging war on non-believers long before the US even existed. Indeed, Imperialism is the duty of every Muslim. It is the duty of every Muslim to commit Jihad for the expansion of the Islamic State.

Back in 1783, after many US ships were seized and their US passengers enslaved, the US ambassadors demanded an explanation from the gov't of Tripoli. The response:

That it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Qur'an, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Muslim who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.

Muslims have been killing, raping and enslaving non-believers for centuries. Any attempt to blame this character flaw on the US gov't is asinine.

[robert s.]

even more than 200 years earlier - 1529 - was the first try of the muslim turk army to conquer vienna! the "USA" did not exist as a nation, so certainly cant be blamed.....

[Zap]

I believe that there are extremists who are so far gone that you will never reach them. They will be determined to have their Jihad and nothing anyone can say will deter them.
There are also those on the fringes. These are the disenfranchised youth, who are very easily swayed. The above extremists use US acts like Afghanistan and Iraq as a recruiting tool to lure in the young Muslims that walk that fine line.
So, while the extremists have always been there and probably always will be, the acts of US intervention in the Middle East are making it more dangerous for the US in the long run.

[woosterbert]

Originally a small band of the original muslims took over great swathes of the countries surrounding the Mediterranean they took over Spain and Portugal amongst others. The original followers did not require that people convert to muslim but let them in peace, providing they pay their taxes. This conversion malarky is a relatively 'modern' thing and may equate to all those christians missionairies who went out (in fact they still go) to convert the heathens. It's not the religion but the a-holes who try to interpret it for their own crap purposes.

[krahmaan]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Indeed, Imperialism is the duty of every Muslim. It is the duty of every Muslim to commit Jihad for the expansion of the Islamic State.

John,

This sounds like an over generalization my friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism

Sufism is a mystic tradition within Islam which encompasses a diverse range of beliefs and practices dedicated to divine love and the cultivation of the heart.

I must say, THIS is the true duty of every Muslim -practised or not practised.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by krahmaan

John,

This sounds like an over generalization my friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufism


I must say, THIS is the true duty of every Muslim -practised or not practised.

I like the Sufic view myself, but the Shi'a view is much more popular, no?

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

I like the Sufic view myself, but the Shi'a view is much more popular, no?

They are definately much more in the news. Mostly negative. Sufies don't get in the news, they don't bomb people, they don't promote violence. Things that make the Shi'a get into the news all the time.

Does dominating the news in a negative manner make something more popular then that which does not dominate the news? I personally doubt it. Those extremists get exactly what they want: Attention from the media, and disturbance of the western world. Our governments help them any way they can with boosting up the fear and with limiting our human rights, just what the extremists aim for.

[krahmaan]

I also feel that not only Islam possesses higher practices that most times are not remembered. Even in Christianity there are principles like the Commandment, “Love thy neighbor as ye love thyself.”

Many religions do possess these types of higher qualities, just worded a bit differently. But you are correct. Popularity contests and corruptness can make the people forget these qualities from their respective religions.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Does dominating the news in a negative manner make something more popular then that which does not dominate the news? I personally doubt it. Those extremists get exactly what they want: Attention from the media, and disturbance of the western world. Our governments help them any way they can with boosting up the fear and with limiting our human rights, just what the extremists aim for.

I don't think coverage of something would in itself make it popular. Popularity is defined by the number of people who believe in or follow a creed.

Sunni is the most popular form of Islam. Shi'a in the second most popular. Sufism is a minority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisions_of_Islam

Of course, those articles reference sources written by experts in their field, and last I checked you believed that experts were like children who believed in Santa Claus. So, maybe your psychic has some more reliable numbers?

[Ferre]

I was refering to the popularity in the media John.

[livecoder]

Yeah, mostly we hear about shia's in the news.Actually I don't know much about the muslim groups.

[John Scott]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkbve0a8qlk


Janeane Garofalo, self proclaimed Liberal. History of anti-religion, atheism, despite her endorsement of Scientology programs. Also hints of anti-Jewishness.

She appears to be holding the Iraqi terrorists in high regard as resistance fighters. These people - the Iraqi terrorists - are waging a campaign of ethnic cleansing against their own countrymen. They are not resisting a foreign power so much as they are murdering their own countrymen. If you look at the death tolls, US soldiers are not the ones being wiped off the the face of the earth. It's fellow Iraqis they are killing.

[upsonians]

Well guys let me tell you that we shia's and Sunni as two categories of Muslims.Both are considered as Muslims but there is some difference in the thinking and worshiping of GOD.Sunni consider prophet Muhammad PBUH as the last prophet and Hazrat Ali as a Sahabi while shia's considers Hazrat Ali as not a sahabi but something else.
Jihad exists in Islam but there is some rules for it.Jihad is always to be fought if some one attack your terrotory.Buw now a days we are using this idea for some thing else, which is absolutly wrong.
Islam says not to kill any innocent but what is going on now.Infact there are some terrorest groups which are using the name of Islam which is mis understanding others.