Iran War Declaration presented to senate?

[Ferre]

http://www.usalone.com/no_iran_war_declaration.php

In case you thought it was just an aberrant moment of lunacy last week when Lieberman pressed General Petraeus for an attack on Iran, just before the weekend he introduced an amendment to the defense bill to authorize exactly that.

No, we are not kidding. He has drafted language that any impartial observer would interpret as a DECLARATION OF WAR against Iran, and he is pressing for a vote as fast as possible.

That's disturbing, to say the least.

[John Scott]

What would your response be Iran providing military support to Iraqi terrorists?

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

What would your response be Iran providing military support to Iraqi terrorists?

I would like to see some evidence, if there's evidence, I would of course dissaprove greatly, but so far the world has not been given any evidence, and looking at the many lies we are fed relating to Iraq and the war, the USA's statements about this, without proof, isn't enough to believe this.

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Where is the evidence?

Also, what the American media is desperately avoiding to mention, is that the current president of Iran has great opposition in his own country and will most probably be not re-elected for another term, most likely his adminisration will be replaced by a much more moderate administration. It looks like the US administration has some sort of motivation not to want to wait for that, they seem to want to start a war at any costs.

[John Scott]

I would of course dissaprove greatly

Really? You would disapprove? Such a scary thought. You sure it isn't overkill?

Be serious, Ferre. Iran could goose step into Iraq and barbecue blonde Catholic babies, and all you would do is "disapprove greatly".

Am I wrong?

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Really? You would disapprove? Such a scary thought. You sure it isn't overkill?

Be serious, Ferre. Iran could goose step into Iraq and barbecue blonde Catholic babies, and all you would do is "disapprove greatly".

Am I wrong?

John, I'm not a militant, I left the army more than 25 years ago and apart from dissaproving greatly I fail to see, as a civillian of a country which is not at war with any other country, what else I should do.

Are you suggesting that I should actually re-enlist in the army to actively fight everything I dissaprove off? I think I'm too old for that too, I'm nearly 50 years old. At my age, fighting days are over.

Which makes me wonder, how much time did you spend in the army John?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Ferre

Which makes me wonder, how much time did you spend in the army John?

None. Are you trying to imply something, Ferre? Don't be a sissy and make innuendo. Come on out a say it if you have a point to make.

Originally Posted by Ferre

John, I'm not a militant, I left the army more than 25 years ago and apart from dissaproving greatly I fail to see, as a civillian of a country which is not at war with any other country, what else I should do.

Um, whack.

No, Ferre, nobody is suggesting you join the army. I'm saying that Hitler could come back to life, murder half the world, and you would still not support US military action. I'm saying Satan himself could take over a nation, declare war on the US, and you would not go anywhere past "greatly disapproving".

It makes you opinion on these matters less than credible, due to your humongous anti-US bias that could be seen from outer space.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

None. Are you trying to imply something, Ferre? Don't be a sissy and make innuendo. Come on out a say it if you have a point to make.


Um, whack.

No, Ferre, nobody is suggesting you join the army. I'm saying that Hitler could come back to life, murder half the world, and you would still not support US military action. I'm saying Satan himself could take over a nation, declare war on the US, and you would not go anywhere past "greatly disapproving".

It makes you opinion on these matters less than credible, due to your humongous anti-US bias that could be seen from outer space.

Indeed, I do not support human right violations, torture, illegal invasions, renditions, lies and more of America's trade marks. Shoot me.

[Ferre]

However, I do support my own country and when my own country is attacked I will be fighting for it's safety, America's oil business is not worth fighting for in my view, my country is in the trade business, we buy oil if we need it, we don't make up excuses to invade oil rich countries.

[Ferre]

And BTW, MY TAX MONEY supports the USA, I don't know if you are aware of it but my country supports the USA with my tax money and the blood of our Dutch troops, we did that in Iraq (untill we found out about the torture) and still do it in Afghanistan, 11 Dutch troops have been killed in Afghanistan since America's war on oil rich countries.

So in a way, I do support America's bloody murderings.

[John Scott]

Good job of avoiding making an intelligent statement, Ferre. Nobody asked if you supported torture, illegal invasions, renditions or lies. I told you that you would not support a justified military action by the US. I didn't ask because, as you have demonstrated beautifully, it would have been an utter waste of my time.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Good job of avoiding making an intelligent statement, Ferre. Nobody asked if you supported torture, illegal invasions, renditions or lies. I told you that you would not support a justified military action by the US. I didn't ask because, as you have demonstrated beautifully, it would have been an utter waste of my time.

John, it's up to the government of my country to decide if they support the USA or not, and this goes by a democratic vote in our political system.

If military action by the US is justified, I will support it, but I've seen little military actions from the USA (apart from ww2) which are justified, neither by international law or even common morals.

Besides, as I said, my tax money supports the USA eventhough I personally do not think it's justified.

And as long as torture, renditions and other human right violations are being committed and defended by the USA I fail to see why I should change my opinion.

[John Scott]

John, it's up to the government of my country to decide if they support the USA or not

Nobody is asking whether your country supports it. I was asking if you do.

You going to tell me you support every choice your country makes? You have no mind of your own?

If military action by the US is justified, I will support it

Blatant lie. Iran could nuke New York and you would have a hard time mustering a "strong disapproval". You'd probably blame it on George Bush.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Blatant lie. Iran could nuke New York and you would have a hard time mustering a "strong disapproval". You'd probably blame it on George Bush.

Blatant assumption. Iran has not nuked anyone, it doesn't even have nukes, and those countries that have them and are not friendly with America, like Russia and North Korea, have not nuked America either. Who are you to say that I would blame it on GW Bush? That's utter bollocks.


And besides, the 9/11 suspects are ALL Saudi Arabians, Saudi Arabia supports muslim fundamentalists financially who hate America all over the world, you'd better worry about them instead of Iran.

[John Scott]

Who are you to say that I would blame it on GW Bush?

An American who has been subjected to your constant anti-American whining for the past 4 years.

Iran has not nuked anyone, it doesn't even have nukes, and those countries that have them and are not friendly with America, like Russia and North Korea, have not nuked America either.

Are you trying to make a point here? If so, please state it. What conclusion are you hoping to be drawn?

And besides, the 9/11 suspects are ALL Saudi Arabians

Whaaa? What ever happened to George Bush planting the bomb, while Donald Rumsfeld executed the airline passengers in a secret Area 51 hanger? Arabs were involved now?

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

An American who has been subjected to your constant anti-American whining for the past 4 years.

I pointed out numerous human right violations yes, maybe you should be the one whining to your government for doing all this, if they do not commit those crimes, I would have little to argue against them.

What I have been doing is not "whining" it's posting stuff which is in the public domain and mostly written by Americans and the press. reason why I do this is to show the other side of the medal, a side which *some* people rather not know about because they prefer to believe that their government is more holy than the pope.

[John Scott]

I pointed out numerous human right violations yes, maybe you should be the one whining to your government for doing all this

Claiming that the CIA engineered 9-11 is "pointing out human rights violations"?

[Ferre]

On a side note, and as an example; I'm a rather curious person, when I'm walking on the streets and I find some sort of electronic device laying on the ground, I would most probably pick it up and maybe take it home to examine it more closely.

however, if I happen to be an Iraqi civillian:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092301431.html

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Claiming that the CIA engineered 9-11 is "pointing out human rights violations"?

I never claimed any of such thing, what I do claim is that the whole 9/11 event should be re-investigated and also the ties of the CIA and MOSSAD with that event.

I do think that things have been covered up to mask (volunteerly or non volunteerly) ties to those organisations and 9/11.

[John Scott]

Washington Post? Are you sure? Have you ever done that before? Aren't your links usually to whacko-leftie-crazie-talker.info?

And, of course if it turns out the military was baiting civilians, they should be prosecuted.

[Ferre]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Washington Post? Are you sure? Have you ever done that before? Aren't your links usually to whacko-leftie-crazie-talker.info?

No more than your use of wikipedia as a "credible" source John.