Crime Rates

[kristeejo]

That sounds so good John, but it's so wrong. A white woman rarely has a jury give the death penalty....

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by kristeejo

That sounds so good John, but it's so wrong. A white woman rarely has a jury give the death penalty....

Did it occur to you that White women are generally less inclined to commit violent offenses?

You know, I don't see 3 year old Asian girls getting executed much. It must be a huge bias on the part of juries. All the 3 year old Asian girls, getting off scot free, while Black men serve time for Asian girl crimes!

[kristeejo]

omg. i cannot believe you two would argue this with a straight face.

Susan Smith kills her children. No death. I venture to say this would not be true had she been male ESPECIALLY black.

[cldnails]

Originally Posted by kristeejo

omg. i cannot believe you two would argue this with a straight face.

Susan Smith kills her children. No death. I venture to say this would not be true had she been male ESPECIALLY black.

This has more to do with where the crime was committed, not the gender or race of the individual.

South Carolina has only put 37 people to death since 1976. Had this happened in Texas, I'm sure she would have got it since they have put over 400 people to death in the same period.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by kristeejo

omg. i cannot believe you two would argue this with a straight face.

Susan Smith kills her children. No death. I venture to say this would not be true had she been male ESPECIALLY black.

Most parents who kill their own kids do light time - under 10 years, from what I've read.

In Susan Smiths case, as in many parent/killer cases, the people choose to believe that nobody could be that evil. They choose to believe she was mentally ill. If she had killed a stranger for money, that they could believe. But nobody wants to believe that a mother in her right mind could kill her own kids.

[kristeejo]

wow. I've never actually came across another American who thinks our judicial system is unbiased in race and sex. I have to catch my breath.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by kristeejo

wow. I've never actually came across another American who thinks our judicial system is unbiased in race and sex. I have to catch my breath.

It is biased. If you don't know that, you are off your rocker. An African American man is hard to convict. Racism, you know. You aren't the only White Liberal who wants to nullify the juries. There are millions of white women all across America, in jury rooms, refusing to convict. Prosecutors know this. Police know this. It's widespread, and it's a fact of life.

[John Scott]

Racially Based Jury Nullification: Black Power in the Criminal Justice System

Was published in the Yale Law Review after OJ's acquittal. It defends racially based jury nullification. The funny thing is, between the Black jury nullification and the Liberal jury nullification, the trial conviction rate for homicide and other violent crimes is just about half.

[backgammonnn123]

The border issue is big also with money leaving our border states and going back to mexico. This has a bigger effect on our economy than people know.

[kristeejo]

such BS - our jails are full of people who were convicted based on race and/or sex alone. OJ Simpson happened because blacks were tired of seeing it happen one way.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by kristeejo

such BS - our jails are full of people who were convicted based on race and/or sex alone.

I'm guessing this is bull****, but if you know of a case of an innocent person in jail on basis of race or gender, I'd love to hear the details.

Post those details.

[kristeejo]

Wow - ok I'll find some stats for you little white boy. However, it's silly that I have to find you stats. ANYONE can see this is happening every single day in America. That is precisely why I'm against the death penalty.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by kristeejo

ANYONE can see this is happening every single day in America. That is precisely why I'm against the death penalty.

I'm entirely against the justice system in America. I've had my share of run in's with police. I've been in a lot of jails and a few prisons. One time I think I counted 14 jails.

I've known a lot of convicts. Generally, Black people do blame race. They don't deny raping whoever they raped, or killing whoever they killed. They just say that if they had been White, they wouldn't have been convicted. I think it's entirely unrealistic. When I was in Kurihama prison, the majority were White, so obviously Whites are going to prison. If you kill somebody, chances are you're going to go to prison, White or Black. It's not racism, it's justice.

[kristeejo]

We've had this argument before and I don't think we're going to change each other's minds. I'm not disagreeing that both whites and blacks go to prison. I'm merely saying, if you are white you have a far better chance to get off lightly than if you were black and did the same crime.

It is farrrrr from being EQUAL justice for all.

Originally Posted by John Scott

I'm entirely against the justice system in America. I've had my share of run in's with police. I've been in a lot of jails and a few prisons. One time I think I counted 14 jails.

I've known a lot of convicts. Generally, Black people do blame race. They don't deny raping whoever they raped, or killing whoever they killed. They just say that if they had been White, they wouldn't have been convicted. I think it's entirely unrealistic. When I was in Kurihama prison, the majority were White, so obviously Whites are going to prison. If you kill somebody, chances are you're going to go to prison, White or Black. It's not racism, it's justice.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by Racist

Wow - ok I'll find some stats for you little white boy.

Love that racism! Down with Whitey! LOL

Originally Posted by Racist

However, it's silly that I have to find you stats.

Who the hell axed for stats? I said I want to hear details, of a Black person convicted on basis of race alone.

What's the hissing sound? Sounds like your argument deflating for lack of truth.

[Sadierhianne]

I don't think that as many women regardless of skin colour go out and brutally shoot people - crimes between men and women offten differ - doesn't make what they do right and they should not be treated any differently but i think that women commit crime for different reasons - i also think that women are less likely to be detected in crime outside the domestic situation because they are not associated as criminals as much as men are.

Someone does an armed robery and you don't think - ah that must have been a women - and it is clear that many people would automatically have a picture in the heads of the person they thought committed the crime -

I think in the UK that every race, nationality, gender commits crimes but some races, nationalities, genders are well known for carrying out specific crimes.

The Uk has an high level of theft going in with illegals but they also have a huge amount of thefts from white british too but it seems the majority are now illegals from one particular country, if those people weren't here, the majority would run with white brits but white brits are not gun murderers - they murder bit it seems that many are domestics rather then people who do it for the hell of it.

[kristeejo]

This article studies much of what we are discussing, however it's difficult to have a discussion with you because of your arrogance.

More than 90 percent of all criminal cases never go to trial. The defendant pleads guilty, often after the prosecutor and defense attorney negotiate. A 1990 study of about 1,000 cases by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that whites did better in plea bargains. Twenty-five percent of whites, 18 percent of blacks, and 12 percent of Latinos got their sentences reduced through bargaining.

[John Scott]

More than 90 percent of all criminal cases never go to trial. The defendant pleads guilty, often after the prosecutor and defense attorney negotiate. A 1990 study of about 1,000 cases by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that whites did better in plea bargains. Twenty-five percent of whites, 18 percent of blacks, and 12 percent of Latinos got their sentences reduced through bargaining.

Without looking at the causes of the different results, this stat does not show racism.

I asked for a case. Are you going to tell me that you whine and complain, and you don't know of a single person who is in prison on the basis of race alone?

You know, a name. State the first name, the last name, and the imaginary offense he was convicted of.

[kristeejo]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Without looking at the causes of the different results, this stat does not show racism.

I asked for a case. Are you going to tell me that you whine and complain, and you don't know of a single person who is in prison on the basis of race alone?

You know, a name. State the first name, the last name, and the imaginary offense he was convicted of.

Oh so I'm to find a single case where the jury came back and said, "well since you are black we found you guilty."

That's absurd and you know it.

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by kristeejo

Oh so I'm to find a single case where the jury came back and said, "well since you are black we found you guilty."

That's absurd and you know it.

You telling me you were puffing hot air? You don't know of any case where there wasn't evidence? You were just parroting the Liberal party line without a single fact?

C'mon, there has to be one innocent Black guy in prison. Get on the ball. Do you homework.

I swear, I wouldn't want you for my attorney.