Global Warming is a Hoax

[John Scott]

Do you blame socialists for 'keep off the grass' signs? It might be them up to no good, you can never tell with limits to personal freedom (like the freedom to drive on the grass in the park, which is evidently enshrined somewhere in the individualists Bill of Rights).

Individualism supports keep off the grass signs. We just don't support "keep off the planet" signs. You freaks aren't saying "keep off the grass". You're saying "keep off everywhere".

The reason we can say keep off the grass is because we provide roads to drive on.

[Dronskiy]

Saying honestly - I don't care about global problems.

[G10]

Originally Posted by Dronskiy

Saying honestly - I don't care about global problems.

Fair enough, and tbh, I totally see and respect that point also - Why should you if the powers that be don't.

Global warming and cooling will come and go, the difference is that man, this time around can alter the balance slightly by cutting down the lungs of the planet and lots more damage.

Governments don't care, unless it involves taxes or other ways to make money and yet they put it onto their people by raising fuel prices and saying that they are doing it to make people use more public transport and have fewer cars on the road.... PLEASE!!!

From what I can see, in the UK anyway, this caring nature is just a front.

[jabo]

Originally Posted by G10

Fair enough, and tbh, I totally see and respect that point also - Why should you if the powers that be don't.

Global warming and cooling will come and go, the difference is that man, this time around can alter the balance slightly by cutting down the lungs of the planet and lots more damage.

Governments don't care, unless it involves taxes or other ways to make money and yet they put it onto their people by raising fuel prices and saying that they are doing it to make people use more public transport and have fewer cars on the road.... PLEASE!!!

From what I can see, in the UK anyway, this caring nature is just a front.

Good point. I cannot remember our, from my country, government ever talk about the environment. They only mind to tackle it when something horrifying happens like landslide due to illegal logging, actually thats the only point they became concerned with the environment. I don't even see any push from them to use hybrid cars or non toxic sprays.

[cldnails]

I have yet to see any 'proof' that humans are causing global warming. There is NO hard evidence, only speculation on behalf of those that have an agenda.

[Zap]

Originally Posted by cldnails

I have yet to see any 'proof' that humans are causing global warming. There is NO hard evidence, only speculation on behalf of those that have an agenda.

Make no mistake. There's an agenda on both sides of this issue.

[StrongInTheArm]

That's the spirit! When the world isn't the way you want it, just close your eyes, whistle a happy tune and pretend like hell it is. Maybe the bad dream will go away.

[South]

Originally Posted by StrongInTheArm

That's the spirit! When the world isn't the way you want it, just close your eyes, whistle a happy tune and pretend like hell it is. Maybe the bad dream will go away.

We've whistled a happy tune as the earth hasn't warmed over the past 10 years and has cooled over the past 7.

[Zap]

Originally Posted by South

We've whistled a happy tune as the earth hasn't warmed over the past 10 years and has cooled over the past 7.

Can we infer from that statement that we're headed for an ice age, then?

[thegamerslink]

Originally Posted by Zap

Can we infer from that statement that we're headed for an ice age, then?

About 30 years ago that was the general conscensus. An Ice Age was around the corner, most likely before the turn of the century.

[cldnails]

Originally Posted by Zap

Can we infer from that statement that we're headed for an ice age, then?

If you are part of the fear mongering crowd, then yes.

Same song, different dance.

http://www.charlotteconservative.com...11/cooling.jpg

[Zap]

Originally Posted by cldnails

If you are part of the fear mongering crowd, then yes.

Same song, different dance.

http://www.charlotteconservative.com...11/cooling.jpg

Precisely my point.
You can't look at the last 7 or 10 years worth of data and determine for sure that's where we're headed.

[StrongInTheArm]

Originally Posted by South

We've whistled a happy tune as the earth hasn't warmed over the past 10 years and has cooled over the past 7.

Keep whistling: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...fclimatechange

The UK should take active steps to prepare for dangerous climate change of perhaps 4C according to one of the government's chief scientific advisers.

In policy areas such as flood protection, agriculture and coastal erosion Professor Bob Watson said the country should plan for the effects of a 4C global average rise on pre-industrial levels. The EU is committed to limiting emissions globally so that temperatures do not rise more than 2C.

"There is no doubt that we should aim to limit changes in the global mean surface temperature to 2C above pre-industrial," Watson, the chief scientific adviser to the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, told the Guardian. "But given this is an ambitious target, and we don't know in detail how to limit greenhouse gas emissions to realise a 2 degree target, we should be prepared to adapt to 4C."

Europe is planning for at least a 2C rise in temperatures.

Its just a matter of time. Perhaps you should stick your fingers in your ear at the same time as whistling

[Zap]

Originally Posted by StrongInTheArm

Perhaps you should stick your fingers in your ear at the same time as whistling

This approach has done wonders for their economic situation. Why wouldn't it work here?

[South]

Originally Posted by StrongInTheArm

Europe is planning for at least a 2C rise in temperatures.

Its just a matter of time. Perhaps you should stick your fingers in your ear at the same time as whistling

I've got too much to do to keep my fingers in my ears. While you "global warming" types run around in your frenzy scrubbing otters or whatever it is you do...the rest of us will be out here keeping society moving along. In ten years when the sky doesn't fall and they can no longer keep the global warming rhetoric believable, they'll feed you some other globalization scheme to protest for.

[StrongInTheArm]

Originally Posted by South

I've got too much to do to keep my fingers in my ears. While you "global warming" types run around in your frenzy scrubbing otters or whatever it is you do...the rest of us will be out here keeping society moving along. In ten years when the sky doesn't fall and they can no longer keep the global warming rhetoric believable, they'll feed you some other globalization scheme to protest for.

So its a conspiracy is it?

Don't go all wacko on me now South, cldnails and you would be too much.

BTW wrong time scale.

[thegamerslink]

Amen South! They did the same thing 30 years ago and you see where we are now, on exactly the opposite end of the scale, and no recognition for the good things that we did do at that.

[thegamerslink]

STIA go back and look at the history books from the '70's, we're going through the exact same thing now with global warming, only back then it was global cooling and the ice age, as you notice that didn't come to fruition so now they are talking warming, and since they have we've actually seen a cooling trend that is scheduled to go on for the next decade. Global warming is a liberal socialist hoax no if's ands or buts about it, as for scientists, the honest ones are saying just that, the ill informed ones are on both sides and the ones concerned more with getting funding and attention for science are part of the scare. It's a political farce.

Now that said, should we continue to lead ourselves to alternate and better forms of energy, absolutely! don't be stupid, should we find better ways to use the resources we do have now and lower the amount of waste? Well Duh! That's called progress in technology and I don't think anyone except for the Global Warming Nut Jobs are against that.

[Bob Barr]

If anyone could explain these three things clearly and without a lot of double-talk, I'd be much more inclined to listen to man-made global warming alarmism:

1) The Little Ice Age (Temperatures were significantly colder than today. How did the earth recover from that?)

2) The Medieval Warm Period (Temperatures were significantly warmer than today. How did the earth recover from that?)

3) The large drop in temperatures from around 1940 through to the early to mid 1970s (Especially since, after WWII, postwar economies were growing rapidly and pumping out increased levels of CO2.)

[Zap]

Originally Posted by Bob Barr

If anyone could explain these three things clearly and without a lot of double-talk, I'd be much more inclined to listen to man-made global warming alarmism:

1) The Little Ice Age (Temperatures were significantly colder than today. How did the earth recover from that?)

2) The Medieval Warm Period (Temperatures were significantly warmer than today. How did the earth recover from that?)

3) The large drop in temperatures from around 1940 through to the early to mid 1970s (Especially since, after WWII, postwar economies were growing rapidly and pumping out increased levels of CO2.)

The Earth has it's own rhythm, completely independant of human interference.
If we weren't here, the temps would rise and fall on their own schedule.
We also have an impact that can force temps in one direction or the other.

If we do nothing about our impact on the Earth, the Earth will survive. It always does.
The Earth will go on, with or without us.