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Old 11-09-2007, 11:25 AM
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Global Warming is a Hoax

...and for those people looking for more influence.

If the founder of The Weather Channel spoke out strongly against the manmade global warming myth, might media members notice?

We're going to find out the answer to that question soon, for John Coleman wrote an article published at ICECAP Wednesday that should certainly garner attention from press members -- assuming journalism hasn't been completely replaced by propagandist activism, that is.

It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in [sic] allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.

Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.

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I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious.

Let's hope so, John; let's hope so.

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Old 11-10-2007, 12:44 PM
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Got your point cldnails!

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Old 11-11-2007, 03:17 AM
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This old planet has been through a whole bunch of changes in its long life, us apes have only been clowning around on it for a very short time span but we have been doing a lot of nasty stuff which is bound to have an effect.
What we are witnessing are a bunch of governments realising that they can introduce a whole raft of taxes under the guise that they are saving the planet. They can bring in new laws that previously would have had them hounded out of office but now it is cloaked in tree hugging do gooding stuff that makes anybody objecting to them appear a monster.

For all of mans thinking that they can rule the world with technology, just look at the earth quakes, hurricanes and other stuff to see that we are really just a blip on earths history.

The Crocodiles and Cockroaches are biding their time until they will rule the earth again.
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Old 11-11-2007, 06:51 AM
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The biggest problem I have is that if you think Global Warming is a Hoax, you are automatically pinned someone who doesn't care about he environment. The truth of the matter is, I think we should do things to protect our environment, not dump crap into water, level all the forests, etc.

The difference is I don't let my heart get in the way of my brain.
 
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Old 11-11-2007, 07:34 AM
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I've never liked the idea of them going on about global warming and putting it on the public and asking them all to do their bit.

I mean, the rainforests are the lungs of the planet and they are coming down at some stupid rate.

Major corporations sending tons of polution into the atmosphere at a rate that nobody can match.

Cars already available to run on other fuels but not viable due to profit losses by giant oil companies, who hav such a control on the system that no way in hell would they appreciate car manufacturers releasing such vehicles.

The big companies do not wish to play ball which does not concern governments too much due to profits (taxes) and yet our governments put the onus on the public.

Major corporations that are to dispose of toxic waste, one or two of them have been found to accidentally spill it into the ground and sea and the fine is less than it would cost to dispense of it via the proper methods.

Of course, we should do our bit but it just so annoys the hell out of me to see the big players just carrying on as normal whilst the public are made to feel guilty.
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Old 11-12-2007, 03:48 AM
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cldnails, I notice you add a 'combatting stupid liberal media' link.

In an interview with the BBC, President Bush's advisor and director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy, John Marburger said that climate change is taking place and there is more than 90 percent certainty that it is due to man-made greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions.

What about combating stupid Republican Presidential Chief Science Advisors then?

Claiming that climate change isn't happening is one thing, maybe you're right and I'm no expert, but using an issue which could affect every one on the planet to play childish political games is frankly unworthy of you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6994760.stm
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is global warming a hoax?

frankly, i have NO idea - i just do not know! and neither do the scientists, the politicians, the media....nobody KNOWS!

but all this aside: what is wrong in asking for cars which are using less gasoline? what is wrong in asking to protect the environment? or asking for less air-pollution from factories? it does not do any harm.

so, why not just do it and if the "global-warming-people" are right, this all might help. if they are not right - we have cleaner air, not bad as well!
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Old 11-12-2007, 04:24 AM
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cldnails, I notice you add a 'combatting stupid liberal media' link.

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What about combating stupid Republican Presidential Chief Science Advisors then?
Who said the stupid chief of politicalized science didn't need to be combated as well? Did you think he wasn't included in that? Did you miss not understand the difference between science and politically driven science? Did you suppose that a Liberal Republican was the same thing as a Conservative?


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Claiming that climate change isn't happening is one thing, maybe you're right and I'm no expert, but using an issue which could affect every one on the planet to play childish political games is frankly unworthy of you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6994760.stm
Now that is a bizarre statement. By pointing out that the Liberals, in their socialist quest to hand more power to the gov't, have engineered a hoax, is somehow a childish political game? Did you suppose that cdnails drew the lines, as opposed to simply observing them?

Indeed, the Conservatives do not believe that man made global warming is a fact: http://www.nationalcenter.org/WCT012304.html

cdnails did not create this, nor did he con the Liberals into thinking that creating a doomsday prophecy into order to raise taxes was a good idea.

How does he get blamed for it? Shouldn't you be blaming the liars who propagate the lies for political means?
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Old 11-12-2007, 04:26 AM
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so, why not just do it and if the "global-warming-people" are right, this all might help. if they are not right - we have cleaner air, not bad as well!
Why not just do it? Why not just give the already monstrous government more authority? Why not hike taxes even more and bring upon us a world wide recession like we've never known?

Well, yes, that might be fun, but then again, it might not.
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Old 11-12-2007, 04:58 AM
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No, global warming is not a political issue, and it wasn't 'invented' just to give government more power. It's an idea that people all around the world of all political stripes subscribe to, and that other people all around the world don't subscribe to.

But cld says:
"Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in [sic] allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus."

You're not seriously telling me that's how the global warming debate took off, are you John? No, I don't think so. Would that be allowed on Wikipedia? No. it's obviously biased, you can see that in an instant.
And the thread title. Global Warming Is A Hoax? No it isn't, the Earth is getting hotter and that's a fact. About 3/4 of a degree centigrade, I think, in the last 100 or so years. What effect it has, whether it's catastrophic, is another matter. But global warming is indubitably a fact. Apparently, these days, noting that fact and thinking (no, let's be realistic, knowing) that it is worth investigating rather than dismissing it out of hand makes you a dastardly fact-manipulating environmental whacko.

So I'll just re-iterate my original point, which is that turning the global warming debate into a childish political football - well, pfft, if that's what you want to do, fine, but don't pretend it's a proper grown-up discussion of global warming.
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Old 11-12-2007, 05:11 AM
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No, global warming is not a political issue, and it wasn't 'invented' just to give government more power. It's an idea that people all around the world of all political stripes subscribe to, and that other people all around the world don't subscribe to.
It does indeed appear to be powered and funded by the social Left:

http://www.amazon.com/Politically-In...dp/1596985011/
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You're not seriously telling me that's how the global warming debate took off, are you John?
So you never saw the documentary where scientists state that if you disagree with the global warming crap, you get blacklisted?

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So I'll just re-iterate my original point, which is that turning the global warming debate into a childish political football - well, pfft, if that's what you want to do, fine, but don't pretend it's a proper grown-up discussion of global warming.
You are being obtuse. Global warming is a political issue. It's nothing more, nothing less.

http://www.amazon.com/Global-Warming...dp/0761536604/

There are dozens of books on global warming stating facts that disprove it. There are dozens more books that promote global warming as an excuse to socialize the economy.

Find me a global warming promoter that doesn't demand higher taxes and more gov't control, and I will personally bake you some of my grandma's brownies.
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Find me a global warming promoter that doesn't demand higher taxes and more gov't control
If global warming is true, isn't that the right way to combat it?

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and I will personally bake you some of my grandma's brownies.
I hope you mean cookies, and not something too horrible to contemplate

It seems the US administration is taking the problem a bit more seriously, anyway.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p..._rYl8&refer=us

I think the New York Times page on it does a good job of separating the wheat from the chaff.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/s...ing/index.html
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If global warming is true, isn't that the right way to combat it?
Okay, let's pretend that we know for a fact that the 0.6% degree (celsius) increase in the past century is indeed man made. Are you still alive? Am I still alive? Yes, crap, and there goes the doomsday.

Okay, so Liberals have been hiking gas taxes for the last two decades. What did it solve? Did hiking gas taxes stop people from using their cars? Did hiking gas taxes in Seattle stop Australia from polluting the earth? Did hiking gas taxes in Seattle stop Chinese from driving to work? Yes, indeed, Ching Fang walked to work once last year because Seattle raised gas tax! Brilliant work guys!

Okay, so up until this point all the doomsday crap has turned out to be crap, and citizens of America are lighter in the wallet for it. Bygones be bygones, what about from here on out?

We also know that the earth has been warming since the end of the last ice age, 10,000 years ago. We know that the earth cycles through ice ages, and warm periods, and to think that taxes will stop geologic phenomenon is a bit arrogant, no?


But let's say that taxes in the US can work miracles. How exactly does raising taxes in the US stop China, Australia, Vietnam, Thailand, North Korea, and the other 190 or so nations on earth from driving their cars? How does raising taxes in the US convince Chinese to ram butt plugs in their cows asses to prevent those pesky methane farts?

Have you seen a single scenario where taxes solved the problem? Have you seen a single scenario where reduction in man-made co2 emissions reduces the temperature of the earth?


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It seems the US administration is taking the problem a bit more seriously, anyway.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p..._rYl8&refer=us
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What government doesn't want an excuse to spend billions of dollars a year? Did you write them a check?
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I think the New York Times page on it does a good job of separating the wheat from the chaff.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/s...ing/index.html
I like that. "had found that humanity had "likely" played a role.".

Yes, let's raise taxes on that word, "likely".

We will likely be hit by a meteoroid that will wipe out all life on earth - shouldn't we be raising taxes for that, too?
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Well, I'm not one of these who pretends to know whether global warming is true or not but I do know that sea levels have risen 750 feet since the Ice Age you mention, so what difference will another few metres make in the long run?

As far as cars go, take a look at whatever city you're in, Tokyo at this point I guess, and take a good look at how much space is given over to cars. Doesn't it seem a little odd to you? It does to me. I'd be delighted to see less cars and less car journeys so whatever is done to reduce them, I'd be fairly happy. If taxes isn't working, then pedestrianise city centres. Have you ever stood on the street corner, put a hanky over your mouth and took a few deep breaths? Give it a try and look at the state of the hanky. You can see the pollution almost instantly - so I'm sure at least that reducing that, however it's done, is good.

But people are too selfish to do the right thing by themselves so sometimes they have to be chivvied.

I totally agree with the argument: "Why should America do it if no-one else will?" But currently, it's more that everyone else wants to and America won't do it, but that's changing. And since America is the world's greatest producer of greenhouse gases, it's the logical place to lead from. The EU should be in at the start too. Or should we begin with Azerbaijan?

After all, if America can spend a trillion on a pointless war in Iraq, why are they squealing so much when asked to do something positive? There's only one reason: They can't make money out of it.

So - let's say global warming isn't disastrous. Suppose it's just 'not good'. Does that mean reducing greenhouse gases and pollution generally is pointless? No. Does that mean reducing car journeys and reducing fuel consumption is a Liberal plot? No. We're churning out crap into the atmosphere and it's not good at all.
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After all, if America can spend a trillion on a pointless war in Iraq, why are they squealing so much when asked to do something positive? There's only one reason: They can't make money out of it.
First off, pointless war? Stopping tyranny is not pointless in my book. Stopping the murder of millions by a bloodthirsty tyrant is not "pointless". Are Iraqi lives somehow less valuable than American?

And, yes, I know you Liberal nuts think that a lot of people are being killed in Iraq. But, unfortunately, even by kind estimates Saddam killed on average 36 political prisoners per day. Compare that to 28 Iraqis being killed per day now, by Islamic extremists, and all of the sudden you understand that Saddam was not the heroic freedom fighter Liberals would have you think he was.

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So - let's say global warming isn't disastrous. Suppose it's just 'not good'. Does that mean reducing greenhouse gases and pollution generally is pointless? No. Does that mean reducing car journeys and reducing fuel consumption is a Liberal plot? No. We're churning out crap into the atmosphere and it's not good at all.
Did you miss the point where they said they need to spend billions of dollars a year? I am sure you have the ability to do the math. The taxes to fund that will send the US into a recession like we've never known. Not to mention the exodus of manufacturing jobs, if the regulations go into effect.
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I totally agree with the argument: "Why should America do it if no-one else will?" But currently, it's more that everyone else wants to and America won't do it, but that's changing. And since America is the world's greatest producer of greenhouse gases, it's the logical place to lead from. The EU should be in at the start too. Or should we begin with Azerbaijan?
Where did you get the idea that America can lead anything? Since when did countries follow America?
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Well, I'm not one of these who pretends to know whether global warming is true or not but I do know that sea levels have risen 750 feet since the Ice Age you mention, so what difference will another few metres make in the long run?
A few more meters and whole communities are underwater. But hey, ice melts. Taxes won't stop that. There is beachfront property on the East coast of the US that used to be inland. The ocean rose, and made off with quite a bit of land, but it didn't cost us billions per year. Why should it now?

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As far as cars go, take a look at whatever city you're in, Tokyo at this point I guess, and take a good look at how much space is given over to cars. Doesn't it seem a little odd to you? It does to me. I'd be delighted to see less cars and less car journeys so whatever is done to reduce them, I'd be fairly happy. If taxes isn't working, then pedestrianise city centres. Have you ever stood on the street corner, put a hanky over your mouth and took a few deep breaths? Give it a try and look at the state of the hanky. You can see the pollution almost instantly - so I'm sure at least that reducing that, however it's done, is good.
I love cars, and our other forms of transportation. I get to see places I never would have seen. I get to see family and friends. And when I want to get to the hospital, I get there quick. Cars are awesome.

And, yes, it would be awesome if there were cleaner energy, and hybrid cars are commonplace in Tokyo, but the whack-job Left doesn't like those, either. Electricity, even when it comes from damns, is still making mother earth cry.
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Bingo!

The global warming debate as it's presented now is nothing more than a systematic method to socialize anything the libs can.
 
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Since you are discussing climate change I thought the views of two scientists that sit on the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change on the work of the IPCC itself, might be of interest you all.

The first is Prof. Martin Parry who is an advocate for the role of the IPCC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7082088.stm

The second is that of John Christy, Professor of Atmospheric Science, University of Alabama, who has criticisms of the IPCC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7081331.stm

Its interesting reading concerning the process and work of the IPCC and puts its work into context. I hope you all find it as helpful and interesting as I did.
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