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View Poll Results: Is truth relative?
Yes, all truth is relative 8 36.36%
No, truth exists independent of the speaker 14 63.64%
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Old 12-07-2007, 08:31 AM
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Is truth relative?

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Old 12-07-2007, 10:14 AM
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I think truth is relative.

We all see things from our own perspective. We each have our own truths.
Some truths are evident to most of us, but they are still our own property.
For "the truth" to be independant, that would imply that one or some of us have the authority to decide what is truth for others.
 
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Old 12-07-2007, 10:56 AM
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This can only be answered on a case by case basis. The question is too broad.

Does an apple fall to the ground if thrown up, yes.

Is the colour red always red, not necessarily. Those who are colour blind see it differently, indeed all are eyes are different, so we all see red differently. But there is an established wave length of visible light that we generally refer to as the colour red.

There are a few things we commonly hold to be true. E.g. KJ has heard it before.
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Old 12-07-2007, 11:17 AM
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Is the colour red always red, not necessarily.
Bumble bees, who can see far more colors than we can, see a red rose as a plaid assortment of colors.

I wish we as humans could see every color "available"
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Old 12-07-2007, 11:19 AM
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I think that some objective form of truth must exist, but think it is almost certainly unattainable. The best we can come is an approximation based on our own perceptions. Said perceptions, of course, being significantly enhanced by a good glass of Macallan.
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Old 12-07-2007, 12:01 PM
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This can only be answered on a case by case basis. The question is too broad.
Either truth exists, or it doesn't.

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Is the colour red always red, not necessarily. Those who are colour blind see it differently
If something is red, it is red no matter who observes it to be red, or indeed, even if nobody observes it at all.
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Old 12-07-2007, 12:03 PM
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For "the truth" to be independant, that would imply that one or some of us have the authority to decide what is truth for others.
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Nobody decides truth, we only observe it.

I can observe that 2+2=4, but I didn't decide that. Nobody did.

And somebody can decide that 2+2=8, and it still won't be the truth.

Truth, IMNSHO, exists independent of who or how it is observed.
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Old 12-07-2007, 12:15 PM
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In some cases, truth belongs to the aggressor.
 
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My mistake I thought it was dependent. lol
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Old 12-07-2007, 01:09 PM
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Is it possible to live outside the present?

If it was possible, would truth be void?

Is truth only contained in the present?


Can we establish just what truth is in a single definition?
 
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Old 12-07-2007, 01:28 PM
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Can we establish just what truth is in a single definition?
The body of real things, events, and facts. (© 2006-2007 Merriam-Webster, Incorporated)
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Old 12-07-2007, 01:37 PM
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The body of real things, events, and facts. (© 2006-2007 Merriam-Webster, Incorporated)
Key word, body. So, by this definition, for truth to even exist, it requires a concrete aspect, correct?
 
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No, truth exists independent of the speaker.

I don't have a lot of grey areas in my life. I look at things in a fairly black and white manner, and that includes truth. It is either the truth or it isn't.

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Old 12-07-2007, 01:44 PM
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Key word, body. So, by this definition, for truth to even exist, it requires a concrete aspect, correct?
The body of knowledge is entirely without a physical, concrete representation, IMO.

Open to interpretation, I guess.
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What about unknown truths, do they not exist? (i.e. unbeknownst to us, we do indeed have a part of us that exists beyond death. If it's true, it is an unknown truth.)
 
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Old 12-07-2007, 01:53 PM
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What about unknown truths, do they not exist? (i.e. unbeknownst to us, we do indeed have a part of us that exists beyond death. If it's true, it is an unknown truth.)
Since truth is an attribute of expressions of fact, I don't think that a fact can be called a truth unless it is expressed.

So, water is wet, but if nobody says "water is wet", then the attribute neither attaches not fails to attach. <- Is one thought on the subject.

Good question, Atom.
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Is hope a valid emotion?
 
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Old 12-07-2007, 01:58 PM
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Is hope a valid emotion?
Depends on your definition of valid. It sounds like a moral statement to me, and morality is entirely subjective, IMO.

"Good" and "bad" or "evil" are subject to the definition or purposes of the individual.

If your morality is hedonistic, then sex is most likely "good". If your morality is Christian or Islamic based, sex may be "bad" if it's outside of marriage.

Just depends on your own moral beliefs (opinions).
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Old 12-07-2007, 02:25 PM
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God made the world spherical so we could all have center stage – Santana, Carlos
So how do you view yourself? From the audience, from the stage or both?
Each spawns a version of truth because it is relevant to your vantage point.
One vantage point that others do not have of you is your view from the stage.
So truth is a 3 dimensional entity, obtainable to all in 2-D only. So truth, then, has a yin/yang existence. Since it exists, it is real. Its level of relevance is the questionable attribute.
 
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Either truth exists, or it doesn't.

If something is red, it is red no matter who observes it to be red, or indeed, even if nobody observes it at all.
We experience the world through our senses. Your senses and mine are subtly different therefore we experience the world slightly differently.

E.G. You fly a red kite. I see a kite that you call red, but because I have a different number of red cones(red sensors) in my retina I see a different colour. As a society we have commonly agreed that a range of light in a certain wave length are generally referred to as red, but we don't see the same red.

Our perception of the truth will always be different because we perceive it differently. Therefore there is a range of truths, no single one. We do not and indeed cannot live outside our perceptions.
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