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01-02-2008, 07:10 PM
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He values individual liberty, sound currency, a minimalist constitutional government, non-interventionist foreign policy and a strong national defense.
I haven't been posting updates here as much as I could have because it didn't seem like there was much interest here in the Politics sub-forum. There are good things happening for the Ron Paul campaign. 
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01-03-2008, 12:08 PM
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Paul & Obama won their respective parties vote on the "myspace virtual poll" of more than 150,000 votes
repubs:
ron paul - 37%
rudy - 18%
mike huck - 16%
dems:
obama - 46%
hilary - 31%
edwards - 8%
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080103...iIW9ShDEBB5494
Yeah, it means nothing official, but certainly can be taken as seriously as any of these "polls" we see out there today
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01-03-2008, 03:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian
Paul & Obama won their respective parties vote on the "myspace virtual poll" of more than 150,000 votes
repubs:
ron paul - 37%
rudy - 18%
mike huck - 16%
dems:
obama - 46%
hilary - 31%
edwards - 8%
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080103...iIW9ShDEBB5494
Yeah, it means nothing official, but certainly can be taken as seriously as any of these "polls" we see out there today
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thanks for sharing Brian
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01-04-2008, 06:56 AM
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The UK press are saying Iowa went to Obama and Huckabee. Would you say that's correct?
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01-04-2008, 09:03 AM
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That is correct Rank.
I don't think they are very representative of the country as a whole, however.
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01-04-2008, 09:57 AM
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v7n Mentor
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I'm reading that New Hampshire is a lot different at least - but Hilary Clinton looks less and less appealing as time goes by, if you ask me. I'm saying Obama for the Democrat nomination anyway.
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01-04-2008, 10:12 AM
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Yep, Iowa really doesn't do much for the rest of us.
NH is a better taste of the country
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01-04-2008, 10:24 AM
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Jeffesis
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If this election is primarily concerning the 'war' then this guy should be heard a bit more often. www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9KWISuvZWs
I agree the 'war' is a very important issue, but we have a little house cleaning to do before we impose our idealogies.
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01-04-2008, 10:31 AM
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If Obama wins the Democratic nomination (which I doubt), the Republicans will be overjoyed. Obama hasn't got a chance to win it all.
Anyways, like I said... what other people in other states vote in no way influences my vote. How many people do you really think sit around saying "hmm.. well they voted for Obama in Iowa, so I think I'll vote for him too"?
The sad truth is, those showing up to primaries are a bit more on the ball the the rest of the population who think that voting only matters every 4 years at the pres. elections. Some of those people don't even know what primaries are.
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01-04-2008, 02:30 PM
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the ron paul air corps had their first flight:
I believe the next 2 flights will be in NH on the 6th and 9th. They have planes ready in most states.

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01-04-2008, 08:40 PM
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What I am seeing when looking at the CNN breakdown is that the phone polls were spot on in Ron Paul's support of "likely Republican primary voters" @ 7% of registered Republicans. He got 29% of the independent voters which is great, but the independent voters only made up 13% of the total. The unexpectedly high turnout (~115K versus ~85K that I expected) appears to have been more from the Republican base than from the independents.
The 10% result is still ~30% better than the ~7% that most of America was expecting. He was also not that far off of 3rd or 4th. Ron Paul was also the only candidate other than Huckabee and Romney to win a Precinct. I've been seeing some MSM reporting that has actually been positive about RP's result.
Unofficially I'm hearing that Ron Paul supporters may have gotten a disproportionately higher number of delegates from the caucus as many Huckabee supporters left after the straw poll and didn't stay for the delegate selection.
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01-04-2008, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Julie
How many people do you really think sit around saying "hmm.. well they voted for Obama in Iowa, so I think I'll vote for him too"?
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Sadly, the "electability"/viability of a candidate does impact the decision making for a lot of voters who would rather vote for the lesser of two more probable evils than their own improbable champion.
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01-05-2008, 09:09 AM
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At the end, it's not the American people who vote for the next president, it's Diebolt and other companies that do that. My guess is that even when Hillary is not on the ballot she'd still win he presidency. She's the chosen one.

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01-05-2008, 09:27 AM
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I'm keeping my nose out of these things, I voted for Bush and the Clinton and made a mistake on both, voting is out for me, but best of luck to those who are on the ballot and to those who are voting.
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01-05-2008, 12:32 PM
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Manchester – UnionLeader.com has learned that the New Hampshire Republican Party has quit as a co-sponsor of tomorrow night's nationally televised GOP forum on FOX News.
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http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?...0-637736adf6fd
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Confirmed by Boston.com:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/pol..._drops_sp.html
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... “The first-in-the-nation New Hampshire primary serves a national purpose by giving all candidates an equal opportunity on a level playing field," said Republican chair Fergus Cullen. "Only in New Hampshire do lesser known, lesser funded underdogs have a fighting chance to establish themselves as national figures."
The Fox debate is excluding Texas Congressman Ron Paul even though he polls higher in New Hampshire and has raised significantly more money, and is campaigning more in New Hampshire than Fred Thompson who is invited.
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CNN has confirmed as well
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ebate-support/
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01-06-2008, 06:38 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian
the ron paul air corps had their first flight:
I believe the next 2 flights will be in NH on the 6th and 9th. They have planes ready in most states.

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Only Ron Paul; sound electable in New Hampshire Republican debate yesterday. He is real positive change. I hope my fellow Americans understand his position.
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01-06-2008, 12:29 PM
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01-06-2008, 01:38 PM
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I'm putting v7n behind RP 
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01-06-2008, 02:05 PM
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YEA JOHN!

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01-06-2008, 03:27 PM
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Jeffesis
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John Scott
I'm putting v7n behind RP 
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Groovy! 
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