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Old 05-26-2008, 05:04 AM
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President plans to kill off every single homosexual

http://en.afrik.com/article13630.html

Gotta love collectivism.
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Old 05-26-2008, 12:17 PM
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Now that is unchecked Collectivism in action......
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Wow, that's pretty brutal. He should be more concerned about getting rid of criminals or drug addicts.
 
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Old 05-27-2008, 12:54 AM
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Wow, that's pretty brutal. He should be more concerned about getting rid of criminals or drug addicts.
Good point.
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religion, sex and money are the source of every trouble in this earth

really sad to see such *******
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:28 AM
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So you're saying that before there was religion, casual sex and money mankind did nothing wrong to one another or anything else?
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Looks more like a tyrant, acting on his own fear, rather than a collective.
 
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:09 AM
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Even a tyrant has to have a group of supporters
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:19 AM
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Looks more like a tyrant, acting on his own fear, rather than a collective.
Define:Tyrant
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1 a: an absolute ruler unrestrained by law or constitution
The Gambia is a constitutional republic, and President Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh was elected by an overwhelming majority.

He enjoys support of the majority of Muslims, which constitute 90+% of the country.

Collectivism is the will of the majority as law. The majority in many countries want homosexuals dead. So, you collectivist twats cannot complain when they start slaughtering homosexuals.
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Old 05-28-2008, 01:05 AM
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religion, sex and money are the source of every trouble in this earth

really sad to see such *******
what would you think, or rather, what would you suggest would have happened to all of us with out those?
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Old 05-28-2008, 06:12 AM
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Wow... Isn't it a free will?
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Old 05-28-2008, 07:47 AM
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The Gambia is a constitutional republic, and President Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh was elected by an overwhelming majority.
You neglected to mention that the election was after he overthrew the previous government. LOL!
Tyrants often win their fixed "elections". LOL!
 
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Old 05-28-2008, 08:16 AM
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You neglected to mention that the election was after he overthrew the previous government. LOL!
Tyrants often win their fixed "elections". LOL!
I can always count on you to attempt to dishonestly imply - usually by cowardly innuendo - something that isn't at all true.
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Jammeh won the 2006 election handily after the opposition coalition, the National Alliance for Development and Democracy, splintered earlier in the year. The voting was generally regarded as free and fair, though events from the run-up raised criticism from some.
How is it that you live with yourself, being so patently dishonest? What's it like to look in the mirror and say to yourself, "I'm a sack of **** liar, but I'm okay with that. My kids don't deserve more than a bag of dung for a father"
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:13 AM
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I can always count on you to attempt to dishonestly imply - usually by cowardly innuendo - something that isn't at all true.
From the same article...
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Yahya (Abdul-Aziz Jemus Junkung) Jammeh (born May 25, 1965) is the President of The Gambia. As chairman of the Armed Forces Provisional Ruling Council, he took control of the country in a bloodless[1] military coup in July 1994, and was elected as President two years later, in September 1996.
How did he come to power again???

And I guess you look even more dishonest by leaving out this...
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He was re-elected with 67.3% of the vote and was declared the winner of the election; opposition candidate Ousainou Darboe finished second, as in 2001.[4] Darboe rejected the results, saying that the election was not free and fair and that there was widespread intimidation.
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"I'm a sack of **** liar, but I'm okay with that. My kids don't deserve more than a bag of dung for a father"
If you say so.
I think you're being hard on yourself and I probably would have worded it differently.
 
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Old 05-28-2008, 09:57 AM
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From the same article...

How did he come to power again???
How he came to power is not the question. Cute of you to try to change the question, though.

The issue is collectivism or democratically opposed tyrant. See how the intellect works? Peons like you try to derail the debate, but the intellectual is able to discard those childish tactics and remain on the issue.

Now, let me further educate your ignorant ass.

Let's say that he hadn't been democratically elected twice. Let's say that he seized power in a coup and never held an election. Of course, he held two, which international observers called "free and fair".

But let's pretend he didn't. The only issue that matters is whether or not he has the support of the majority. And he doesn't even need the support of 90%. He only needs the support of 51% for his policies - including the murder of homosexuals - to qualify as democratic and collectivist.

[QUOT]And I guess you look even more dishonest by leaving out this...[/QUOTE]

How do you figure? As far as intellectually inclined people are concerned, the word of a defeated politician carries less weight than international observers whose primary concern is a fair and free election.

Again, you've been owned. You're an embarrassment to your country, your family and to yourself.
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Old 05-28-2008, 10:26 AM
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The issue is collectivism or democratically opposed tyrant. See how the intellect works? Peons like you try to derail the debate, but the intellectual is able to discard those childish tactics and remain on the issue.
I call it proving you wrong. You call it derailing debate.

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Let's say that he hadn't been democratically elected twice. Let's say that he seized power in a coup and never held an election. Of course, he held two, which international observers called "free and fair".
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Jammeh was re-elected on October 18, 2001 with about 53% of the vote; this election was generally deemed free and fair by observers, despite some shortcomings
Actually, if we take a closer look at your lie, only the first election was deemed free and fair. And, it had it's issues too.

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But let's pretend he didn't.
No. Let's acknowledge that he didn't. There's a difference.

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The only issue that matters is whether or not he has the support of the majority. And he doesn't even need the support of 90%. He only needs the support of 51% for his policies - including the murder of homosexuals - to qualify as democratic and collectivist.
Where is this figure of 90% coming from, besides your mind?
Are you assuming that all Muslims agree with his policies?

If that's the case, then why did he only receive 53% of the vote in the only election that was considered fair?

Woops! I think your argument just fell apart.

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How do you figure? As far as intellectually inclined people are concerned, the word of a defeated politician carries less weight than international observers whose primary concern is a fair and free election.
See above for why your assumptions have once again messed with your head.

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Again, you've been owned. You're an embarrassment to your country, your family and to yourself.
Famous last words of a man grasping at straws.

*waiting for the "I'm rubber and you're glue" retort.*
 
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Old 05-28-2008, 10:31 AM
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Oh... And if you'd like another opinion...

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...470231,00.html

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It's hard to make a name for yourself as a tyrant in Africa; the standards are pretty high. Jean Bédel Bokassa of the Central African Republic, believing himself to be the thirteenth apostle, had himself crowned emperor and is said to have enjoyed the occasional meal of human flesh. In Congo, the kleptocrat Mobutu Sese Seko built an airstrip for his chartered Concorde jets in the middle of the rain forest. Now, the president of the West African state of Gambia is doing his best to add his name to the list.
 
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So you're saying that before there was religion, casual sex and money mankind did nothing wrong to one another or anything else?
it's not such a long period of time

i think religion in it's several froms has always existed and has always been a source of trouble (but don't get me wrong it didn't create ONLY trouble )

And what i said was that all that made things MUCH worse than it could have been ( i mainly speack about money and religion as sex is natural ) but you can also kill by anger , jalousy or hunger (3 things that religion usually fight , quite paradoxal ^^)

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what would you think, or rather, what would you suggest would have happened to all of us with out those?
i guess we would have found other sources of trouble :p but what's the point of such rethorical questions ?
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Old 05-28-2008, 10:38 AM
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So you're saying that before there was religion, casual sex and money mankind did nothing wrong to one another or anything else?
Actually, Kim's got a good point, dude.

If you buy into the religion, God existed before man, the universe, everything.
 
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I call it proving you wrong. You call it derailing debate.
Then prove me wrong. You've had plenty of chances to.

Explain, formatted as a logical syllogism, how a democratically elected president who enjoys "unrivaled popularity" is democratic while at the same time not democratic?


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Perhaps one positive and stabilizing tendency in The Gambia's political
system is the apparent popularity of Jammeh. While his support clearly
transcends ethnic, religious and regional affiliations, the bulk of his
support lies solidly among his Jola ethnic kin. There is some civil-servant
support but much of it appears self-serving with many civil servants in the
provinces doubling as APRC propagandists. Through songs of praise by
Gambia's leading artists and support of some clergy, coupled with the
careful packaging of Jammeh by the media, he has come to be seen as the
embodiment of peace and development in The Gambia. Consequently, opposition
to him or his policies is generally perceived as opposition to Gambia's
national interest. In so doing, he is more of a feudal lord whose role is
to 'provide' for his serfs, just as a king does for his subjects, than a
president.
According to the BBC:
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Jammeh's reign has been by no means dictatorial, and has been a fairly stable one by African standards. Concerns remain over the country's human rights record - suppression of opposition voices and detentions are not uncommon - and corruption and bribery of officials are barely disguised. High taxes on the media also mean that most newspapers and radio stations can only survive with government assistance. Jammeh's popularity is assured by his public support of high-profile schemes such as road improvements and popular farming initiatives, and even with sky-high inflation and a large national debt, it appears that he may be in charge for a long while yet.
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If that's the case, then why did he only receive 53% of the vote in the only election that was considered fair?
Why did he receive a majority of support? Why shouldn't he have received a majority of the votes?

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No. Let's acknowledge that he didn't. There's a difference.
He didn't receive a majority of the votes in both elections? According to wikipedia and the BBC, he did. And he still enjoys widespread support.

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See above for why your assumptions have once again messed with your head.
I'm looking above and I don't see any body - Gambian or otherwise - claiming that he didn't get a majority of the votes. All sources - from academic to the BBC to Wikipedia, claim that he enjoys "unrivaled" and widespread support.

You have an authoritative source that claims otherwise?
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