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Old 07-28-2008, 12:49 PM
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Fast forward 1 year and Obama is president

Will people still have the love they have for him?
What effect will he have on black people?
Will all the old American enemies like Cuba, Iran etc become friends?
Is that when China will take over as no 1 economy of the world?

Obama is the right man for a New America definately.

however what changes can you see coming?
 
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Old 07-29-2008, 08:01 PM
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Will people still have the love they have for him?
Obama is a media creation. Since his base of support is the American Idol crowd, many of those enamored with him will remain so, as many of them have little to no idea what's going on in the world beyond MTV and likely won't then either.

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What effect will he have on black people?
Very little I would expect. For those expecting some sort of betterment of situation, there will be some depressing realizations when they see that their situation doesn't improve any more under a black Democrat than it did under any white Democrat. For those who realize that government isn't there to help people anyway, they'll keep on succeeding as usual. Same with whites.

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Will all the old American enemies like Cuba, Iran etc become friends?
If by America being their friend you mean America being their bitch, then yes.

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Is that when China will take over as no 1 economy of the world?
That's pretty much a given. Socialism is a risky experiment in any situation, but trying to put it into place in a system already as financially strapped as ours should knock us down the list quite a bit.

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Obama is the right man for a New America definately.

however what changes can you see coming?
It would certainly be a new America. He spells out the changes pretty clearly I think. Loss of personal freedoms, increased government control over peoples daily lives, huge losses of American jobs. You know, standard socialism.

McCain isn't campaigning very well and the news stations are Obama cheerleaders who won't give McCain any coverage. We can only hope that there's something good on MTV on election day to keep the kids at home.
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Old 07-29-2008, 08:07 PM
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Not much will change. Politics is all the same, they tell you what you want to hear but stick to their agenda at the end.
 
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:53 PM
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For those who realize that government isn't there to help people anyway, they'll keep on succeeding as usual.
South, you are quickly becoming one of my heroes ... Finally someone else that can see through the smoke and mirrors!

Cheers bro!
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well, should all the inspiring messages of Barack Obama transform into action then i think America can be heaven on earth should Obama emerge President of the United States. President Bush was the people's favorite and Bush was very inspiring too. President Bush made promises. some of these promises he has accomplished and for the others, we are yet to experience them.
 
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Old 07-30-2008, 08:49 PM
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South,

While I was about to say that you took the words right out of my mouth, I have to correct myself -- You stated my thoughts on every point much more eloquently than I could have.
 
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Old 07-31-2008, 06:40 AM
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Loss of personal freedoms
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It would certainly be a new America. He spells out the changes pretty clearly I think. Loss of personal freedoms, increased government control over peoples daily lives, huge losses of American jobs. You know, standard socialism.
President Bush is a socialist?!?!?
 
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Old 07-31-2008, 08:20 AM
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President Bush is a socialist?!?!?
Brilliant.
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I've heard Bush called many things but "brilliant" isn't one of them.
 
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:05 AM
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I've heard Bush called many things but "brilliant" isn't one of them.
That's not your fault. "Brilliant" isn't one of the buzz terms the liberal circle is allowed to use in political discussions right now. I think right now you guys are limited to "conspiracy", "old", and "third Bush term" when discussing Republicans.

Good new though! I hear that the Liberal Fuhrer Commission is considering including the word "brilliant" for use when discussing Obama, so you guys might get the OK from the top for that soon. Terms also being considered for Obama are "Saviour", "Messiah", and "God".
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All politicians are media creations. That's the only way the vast majority of us interact with them. I've only seen one president and one first lady up close and in the flesh my entire life. And even then it was a highly contrived media event. So the McCain campaign claiming that Obama is a "media creation" pretty much says nothing. At the same time it's completely true, but it's also true of McCain. Not only that, the entire campaign "industry" is a media creation, so please tell us something we don't know. I should also add that I'm not crazy about either Obama or McCain. So what are the feasible alternatives? There are none.

We also have both Republicans and Democrats to blame for government no longer being a tool to help people. The population of the US has, by and large, sat by and allowed that to happen. We instead let media creations make up our minds for us.
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I think right now you guys are limited to "conspiracy", "old", and "third Bush term" when discussing Republicans.
A third Bush term.

Now there's something I could definitely get behind!
His first two terms have been great for me and my dollar.

Do you suppose you guys could somehow bypass the limit and get him in there for a third term? Please?
Now, THAT would be brilliant.
 
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:39 AM
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So the McCain campaign claiming that Obama is a "media creation" pretty much says nothing. At the same time it's completely true, but it's also true of McCain.
McCain isn't the one saying it. The conservative masses wish he would step up and say something, pretty much anything at this point. To hear McCain you'd think he's one of Obama's biggest supporters.

Media is supposed to be an information vehicle. They aren't reporting on Obama, they're staging him, fawning over him, burying his shortcomings.

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I should also add that I'm not crazy about either Obama or McCain. So what are the feasible alternatives? There are none.
True. Not a strong candidate in the bunch this year. It's sad that people, including myself, are anxiously waiting for VP announcements for some sort of relief.

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We also have both Republicans and Democrats to blame for government no longer being a tool to help people. The population of the US has, by and large, sat by and allowed that to happen. We instead let media creations make up our minds for us.
If we could get the American people to understand one simple truth it would solve more problems than any other enlightenment we could achieve.

THE GOVERNMENT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO HELP THE PEOPLE. It's not equipped to, it wasn't built to, it will never, ever, ever have the ability to help anyone without causing more damage than good.

The problem with the government isn't that it can't help anyone, it's that the government tries to run "help" programs that it can't deliver. Any help program has to be funded and can only be funded by grasping authorities it isn't due. By the constitution, the government has no authority at all. People have authority. Government only has power, and that power is lent by people. Government seizes authority by promising to "help" people.
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well, should all the inspiring messages of Barack Obama transform into action then i think America can be heaven on earth should Obama emerge President of the United States. President Bush was the people's favorite and Bush was very inspiring too. President Bush made promises. some of these promises he has accomplished and for the others, we are yet to experience them.
Bush is a colossal, oil-hungry jackass. There is no inspiration from a President who mocks the very system that people die to protect. And ... Bush was NOT the people's favorite ... It was a rigged election that got him in there, and since then, he's had the worst approval rating EVER. Even worse than Ulysses S. Grant, who WAS, by and large, considered the worst President to serve.
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Bush is a colossal, oil-hungry jackass. There is no inspiration from a President who mocks the very system that people die to protect. And ... Bush was NOT the people's favorite ... It was a rigged election that got him in there, and since then, he's had the worst approval rating EVER. Even worse than Ulysses S. Grant, who WAS, by and large, considered the worst President to serve.
yes you are right RNK Concepts! saying that Bush was the people's favorite, i am not trying to say that President Bush won by a landslide victory.. the negative aspects of Bush administration were very obvious during his first term of office and yet Americans re-elected him for a second term. Remember that people wouldn't have voted Bush into office for the first time if he wasn't that promising.
 
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Remember that people wouldn't have voted Bush into office for the first time if he wasn't that promising.
He's not promising, he never was, it's just that the vast majority of people either vote by party-lines, or are too ignorant or fearful to render change. Fear is a very powerful tool, and one element of fear is instability.
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He's not promising, he never was, it's just that the vast majority of people either vote by party-lines, or are too ignorant or fearful to render change. Fear is a very powerful tool, and one element of fear is instability.
You are right.. I agree with the fact that most people are ignorant of the idea of elections though not fearful. most people vote by party-lines which actually doesn't show maturity in the concept of elections. Bush's administration is doing something but maybe not the best and i wouldn't argue with you over Bush being an oil Jackass because that's what you think
 
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Old 07-31-2008, 10:22 AM
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You do realize that the definition of a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative growth, right?

We have not yet had one quarter of negative economic growth, let alone two.

The first quarter of 2008 had 0.9% growth, not great but not negative. The figure for the second quarter 2008 was just released and was 1.9% growth, again not great but still, not negative,
 
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Obama has sure spent enough money to become President.
 
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I say give him a chance.
Many countries have put race behind them although
Its the qualities that come out best.
He can become self neglegant and drive
down the economy.
VBut who can tell the future.
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