“What if you couldn’t marry the person you love?”

[alter-ego]

It's a great topic actually, I only made mention of the third option as I feel the vote is a bit too black and white so people like myself who see gray areas really can't vote. I'm also a bit curious because I think a neutral vote could quite likely overshadow the sum of the "Yes" and "No" options.

...anyway, carry on.

[Dotster]

Are you for gay marriage?

I go against the marriage of homosexual couples. Though I do not think gay sex is not possible, bad or sick, I think gay families are not good for society. Family is the smallest particle of the human society, which is the base for continuing our Life, and this is the law of nature for families to be created by man and woman.

Gays are not able to have children, and even if they adopt one, the living with two dads, or two moms - will develop only one side of the personality. IMHO this is bad for psychic.

Also, I will never believe in gay love. Love is the feeling conditioned by the physiological processes inside, which resonate each other only if produced by different sexes, otherwise, it could only be a desire, affection or anything else, but not the love... It often seems to me that people have forgotten the meaning of this word...

[krahmaan]

I commend every poster here for keeping this a mature and serious discussion. I think that these type of things really need to be discussed. Because for some in this day-and-age, people are too afraid to discuss these type of topics without putting others down. It's considered taboo in most parts. But if they were openly discussed in the home, the children wouldn't possess such confusion on these issues.

IMO

[jlhen]

i believe in the god's will god knows who's for who

[StrongInTheArm]

Well I have nothing against happy marriages, if that helps!

What consenting adults get up to is their business, why would it concern me. I'd be interested to know why they want to get married in the first place. I don't see a problem with it.

[Muddy]

Originally Posted by StrongInTheArm

I'd be interested to know why they want to get married in the first place.

Legal reasons. Jointly held property, etc.

[StrongInTheArm]

Ah, I see, yes that makes sense. Who gets the Cocker Spaniel and who gets the dog bowl.

[jdspc]

I just love the term 'Wedlock'...

Everyone should have someone...not only in life but in death...

And nobody should have a say save those involved...

And I am not talking about pencil pushing...

[BlackEyes]

man is for woman and not for another man..don't be offended to people that say yes with gay marriage, but for me it is not right and disgusting..

[krahmaan]

Why do you ask? And what does that have to do with gay marriage?

[krahmaan]

Are you still there???

[krahmaan]

Too bad people who post here are forgetting to vote.

[entrabnetworks]

its should be banned in every country coz due to this there are now lot of Aids patients

[micoblanco]

Originally Posted by krahmaan

Too bad people who post here are forgetting to vote.

I'm the tie-breaker. (current vote: 21-22)

Originally Posted by entrabnetworks

its should be banned in every country coz due to this there are now lot of Aids patients

As far as I know, the most common reason why *people are deciding to get married is because of "LOVE" and not about "SEX". We shouldn't blame those *people for the increasing number of AIDS cases/victims. Although AIDS can be acquired through sexual transmission (correct me if I'm wrong) which is part of married life... it's not right to judge them as one of the main causes of AIDS.

My opinions:
SIDE A:
If they truly love one another and as long as they are not hurting anyone... why not?
SIDE B:
Well, from another part of me... men are for women and women are for men. Adam is for Eve and Eve is for Adam, not Adam for Adam nor Eve is for Eve. I guess, it will not be so good/pleasant in the eye of an individual especially in the eye of a religious/conservative type of individual to see a man getting married to another man or a woman getting married to another woman.

[krahmaan]

^ Fair argument, nicely put and clearly thought out. I think you'll be going far here at v7n micoblanco. Keep up the good posts. Kudos!

[micoblanco]

Originally Posted by krahmaan

^ Fair argument, nicely put and clearly thought out. I think you'll be going far here at v7n micoblanco. Keep up the good posts. Kudos!

Thanks dude! Now I know that I can post a good one... sometimes. I'm also wondering about the post of muqtada123. *looking at the ceiling + scratching his chin*

[SnareDrumKneeCaps]

Originally Posted by micoblanco

Well, from another part of me... men are for women and women are for men. Adam is for Eve and Eve is for Adam, not Adam for Adam nor Eve is for Eve.

Are you saying Adam and/or Eve didn't masturbate? If they where real I find that very hard to believe.

On topic though: I'm yet to hear a good argument against gay marriage. The majority I've read or heard are based on religion, which is irrelevant. There is no proof any religion is true, therefore if it's between consenting adults I fail to see why it shouldn't be allowed. Law should never be dictated by a religion. I completely agree with religious freedom though, and fully support the right for a Church, Mosque, Synagogue or whatever your individual thing is to chose whether or not they will marry gay couples.

When the argument isn't based on religion it's based on extreme stupidity or lack of knowledge on the subject. A great example of this is the idiot on the previous page whose argument against gay marriage is a lot of people have AIDs. Another common one is that apparently gays "choose" to be gay. Yes, because people make a decision when they look at someone/something/a situation about whether or not they should find it sexually arousing.

If anyone wants to provide a good argument against it though I'm happy to read it. Or if there's been some posted in this thread I'll have a look, but right now I don't have the time to search through almost 12 pages of discussion.

[micoblanco]

Originally Posted by SnareDrumKneeCaps

Are you saying Adam and/or Eve didn't masturbate? If they where real I find that very hard to believe.

Well... I didn't say such thing like that . I mean, a man should marry a woman that he love and vice versa.

On topic though: I'm yet to hear a good argument against gay marriage. The majority I've read or heard are based on religion, which is irrelevant.

Irrelevant? What are you trying to say? Because as far as I know... marrying someone is very related with religion and the genders involved. Know what I mean?

When the argument isn't based on religion it's based on extreme stupidity or lack of knowledge on the subject. A great example of this is the idiot on the previous page whose argument against gay marriage is a lot of people have AIDs.

Dude, chill out. We should hear what entrabnetworks' point/explanation on why he included the "AIDS" in his post first and please... don't use those kinda words. Remember... this is the friendliest forum in town. Mmmkey?

If anyone wants to provide a good argument against it though I'm happy to read it. Or if there's been some posted in this thread I'll have a look, but right now I don't have the time to search through almost 12 pages of discussion.

I guess, we should all read the whole thread before posting on it especially in this kind of matter/topic which is very sensitive(for me). It is also a good way to avoid getting off-topic and to avoid hurting someone's feeling with regards to his/her post. For example, this thread is entitled “What if you couldn’t marry the person you love?” which at the first place, a person might think that it is something sort of a discussion about lovers that can't marry one another because their families are at war. See? If you're going to read only the latest pages of this thread and then post, you might also be off-topic like the members you followed. hahaha

[SnareDrumKneeCaps]

Originally Posted by micoblanco

Well... I didn't say such thing like that . I mean, a man should marry a woman that he love and vice versa.

Sure you did. Adam for Adam or Eve for Eve is just SnareDrumKneeCaps for SnareDrumKneeCaps.

Originally Posted by micoblanco

Irrelevant? What are you trying to say? Because as far as I know... marrying someone is very related with religion and the genders involved. Know what I mean?

Sorry if what I meant wasn't clear. Society has seen thousands of faiths since the dawn of man, if not more. It's nothing short of insulting to ones personal freedoms to tell other people to have your faiths marital system instead of their own. Jon's Pagan marriage to Dave doesn't make Tom and Jane's Christian marriage less, and vice versa.

Originally Posted by micoblanco

Dude, chill out. We should hear what entrabnetworks' point/explanation on why he included the "AIDS" in his post first and please... don't use those kinda words. Remember... this is the friendliest forum in town. Mmmkey?

Sorry, I forgot you can still be intelligent and say AIDs is all the gays fault.

Originally Posted by micoblanco

I guess, we should all read the whole thread before posting on it especially in this kind of matter/topic which is very sensitive(for me).

I read the first post before posting and was aware it's about Proposition 8, a bill that had quite an effect on gay marriage in California.

[krahmaan]

Originally Posted by SnareDrumKneeCaps

Are you saying Adam and/or Eve didn't masturbate? If they where real I find that very hard to believe.

On topic though: I'm yet to hear a good argument against gay marriage. The majority I've read or heard are based on religion, which is irrelevant. There is no proof any religion is true, therefore if it's between consenting adults I fail to see why it shouldn't be allowed. Law should never be dictated by a religion. I completely agree with religious freedom though, and fully support the right for a Church, Mosque, Synagogue or whatever your individual thing is to chose whether or not they will marry gay couples.

When the argument isn't based on religion it's based on extreme stupidity or lack of knowledge on the subject. A great example of this is the idiot on the previous page whose argument against gay marriage is a lot of people have AIDs. Another common one is that apparently gays "choose" to be gay. Yes, because people make a decision when they look at someone/something/a situation about whether or not they should find it sexually arousing.

If anyone wants to provide a good argument against it though I'm happy to read it. Or if there's been some posted in this thread I'll have a look, but right now I don't have the time to search through almost 12 pages of discussion.

You haven't read a good argument yet -huh? Well then you must have not read enough either. There are many posts here in this thread against gay marriage that have nothing to do with religion. You'd have a better position to find the time to read what has been said here. Unless you're trying a filibuster. I started this thread, and that debating tactic doesn't work well on me -I'm sorry. Another thing, I also asked that this discussion limit insults -no need for name calling. You may want to pick a better thread.

Originally Posted by SnareDrumKneeCaps

I read the first post before posting and was aware it's about Proposition 8, a bill that had quite an effect on gay marriage in California.

You've shown that you haven't read enough. Please respect the other people who post here. Or simply don't post until you fully understand the thread -part of the rules here at v7n. I hope this is a good enough argument for ya.