“What if you couldn’t marry the person you love?” - Page 7

krahmaan · 10-17-2008, 12:59 PM

^ Is that an order, suggestion, or just you talking around my questions?

Like you might do to this question also.

We'd need your input of what you think and know (not know) to hold a debate also. Not just filibuster.

krahmaan · 10-17-2008, 01:18 PM

Checkmate.

css25 · 01-07-2009, 08:53 PM

I'm not a gay. I have few gay/lesbi/bi friends, but same sex marriage should be allowed, like what Zap said, what's the big deal? They are human being also. They has their own rights which path of life they should choose.
The question: What if you couldn’t marry the person you love?
My answer: I'll take it as a faith.

krahmaan · 01-07-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by css25

I'm not a gay. I have few gay/lesbi/bi friends, but same sex marriage should be allowed, like what Zap said, what's the big deal? They are human being also. They has their own rights which path of life they should choose.
The question: What if you couldn’t marry the person you love?
My answer: I'll take it as a faith.

I respect your answer to this thread.

But I must firmly stand with what is natural. No 'gay/lesbi/bi' was born by two women or two men. This is just not the way it was intended on. A man and a woman is needed to be fruitful. Our birth is evidence of this fact.

I think 'over indulgence' is where the confusion comes in. Sex is now only viewed for 'self gratification' and not as a symbol of one's love. Begetting children being the product of that love.

That is what turns love making into sin. Don't get me wrong, this 'over indulgence' can also be in heterosexual relationships as well -indeed. (Just being fair)

FocalPoint · 01-09-2009, 08:12 PM

I love this one:

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And here, It's almost like you're saying Adam and Eve were able to get away with sexual relations (fortification) without Matrimony and commit sin in the presence of God and get away with it all while He's sitting right there watching Eden.(?)

I would have trouble having sex with anyone looking on, but God?!...that could really spoil it...

And 'fortification' is a sin now?...isn't it considered self-defense?.....oh, you meant 'fornication'.....

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krahmaan · 01-10-2009, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FocalPoint

I love this one:

I would have trouble having sex with anyone looking on, but God?!...that could really spoil it...

And 'fortification' is a sin now?...isn't it considered self-defense?.....oh, you meant 'fornication'.....

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Yeah, my spell checker must of swindled me on that one -I guess it got by me. Not everyone can be as perfect as you.

FocalPoint · 01-10-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by krahmaan

Yeah, my spell checker must of swindled me on that one -I guess it got by me. Not everyone can be as perfect as you.

I know, but it's worth the effort!

Ferre · 01-09-2009, 06:08 PM

If God didn't want gays to marry he would not have created gays and marriage.

FocalPoint · 01-09-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferre

If God didn't want gays to marry he would not have created gays and marriage.

There ya go...and what is the expected response to that?....they 'chose' to be gay.....

FocalPoint · 01-09-2009, 08:05 PM

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I don't mean to put anybody down, but this subject is a whole lot easier than it seems. Just think about it, how did even gay persons get into this world? It wasn't by two men, or two women mind you.

That's right, Krahmaan, they were born gay of a man and a woman....that's how they got here.....maybe we should punish the mother and father for giving birth to gay children....

krahmaan · 01-11-2009, 08:26 PM

Well Thanks!

-I think.

Darkender · 01-14-2009, 10:12 PM

I think it's stupid how people makes rules against gay marriages. Would be awesome if their was a gay president and he made it illegal for straight marriages

RichDev · 01-15-2009, 07:25 PM

I wonder who made that holy miracle happen?

krahmaan · 01-15-2009, 11:19 PM

Re: http://www.v7n.com/forums/958786-post136.html

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...you're a riot, Atom...a riot! maybe he just wants to use the definition that suits his belief....nothing wrong with that, is there?

Oh wow, so I guess the definition I posted wasn't actually a definition -huh?

Care to argue that? (Tee-hee)

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mar·riage

n.
1.
a. The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.
b. The state of being married; wedlock.
c. A common-law marriage.
d. A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage:

This is still the same meaning of marriage in the first definition (d.).
Found at the same place: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/marriage

krahmaan · 01-15-2009, 11:25 PM

There was no man made law in Eden.
Where God wedded Adam to Eve.
Just so you guys don't get confused.

FocalPoint · 01-16-2009, 10:36 AM

It would appear that Adam and Eve shared the same DNA which would make them twins. They were not married because there was no such institution or sacrement of marriage. They obviously had sex....the rules were different back then....

asavantage · 01-16-2009, 10:56 AM

My uncle (Eric Wandless Renton) was homosexual. It was the 25th anniversary of the day he was Murdered on the 11/01/09. I can assure you the world lost a good man on this day. He was one of the kindest souls you would ever hope to meet. He was a keen chess player, and taught many people to play.

Should gays be able to marry. Of course, people should be free to to anything they want to do in life as long as the do not harm another individual. I am not homosexual, if your thinking that. However I do think that people may need love in this life, and if they can not find love from a suitable women, then some men may adopt some kind of companionship that I admit I do not understand - but that is non of my business. Good luck to them if they are happy. I recently wrote a tribute to Eric which was published in a paper, however I did a full tribute on another site yesterday, which should be available to read soon on the internet - not that anyone would be interested?

krahmaan · 01-16-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FocalPoint

It would appear that Adam and Eve shared the same DNA which would make them twins. They were not married because there was no such institution or sacrement of marriage. They obviously had sex....the rules were different back then....

You looked right past the definition of marriage I posted didn't you? (just great)

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Originally Posted by asavantage

However I do think that people may need love in this life, and if they can not find love from a suitable women, then some men may adopt some kind of companionship that I admit I do not understand - but that is non of my business. Good luck to them if they are happy.

That's a very honorable way to look at it sir. But I have one disagreement with this statement. If men chose not to marry for whatever reason (lack of finances, broken hearts, inferiority complexes) then they should stay single. Stay chaste, celibate and try to put their attention on the Holy Father. Sometimes some relationships just aren't meant to be, but that's not a reason to stray into the unnatural.

Two men don't make babies in natural scientific law -mind you.

Many men have practiced celibacy in ancient times, and still many do it today. There's nothing wrong with practicing celibacy and it's not a sin. Monks do it, & even nuns do it. No, it's not easy to do. But everything takes practice. But to just give in to self gratification as an excuse to do sin, does not lessen the punishment.

asavantage · 01-16-2009, 01:34 PM

Some people just live, and don't think of the bible, or sin. My grandfathers wife died after giving birth to my uncle Eric. He was a methodist Lay Preacher, and he turned to drink after that loss was too much for him. I guess he gave up on religion. Some people want to be single - thats fine. Some people want to be monks or nuns, thats fine, some poeople fight for their country, and live or die. Maybe the environment they were born in influences the outcome. Some men live with their wives, in fact many do, and they do participate in gratification of any form, no doubt some men who live with men do not practice gratification. Whatever the level of gratification, never, rare, regular, or greed, it is the individual who answers to himself, and his friends and family if his behavour affects them. If gratification is bad, then I better not eat my cheescake, because it is the most gratification I will get today - probably a poor analogy. I think it is commendable to give people good advice and guidance, but what they do, as long as it is not imposed on others who are not interested, then ok. If a gay man insisted everyone should be gay, then that would be unacceptable, however, more and more men seem to be turning gay because of the shortage of women. I was once told by a friends brother, that he would not have strayed if he had a woman. It is a basic human right to found a family (European Convention of HRFF). It's also a human right to be single, or do anything with the positive law. Moral law is a matter of opinion. Any kind of stigma is shameful - Hitler was good at that, and unfortunately he will not be the last to stigmatize. But its only my opinion.

krahmaan · 01-16-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by asavantage

If a gay man insisted everyone should be gay, then that would be unacceptable, however, more and more men seem to be turning gay because of the shortage of women. I was once told by a friends brother, that he would not have strayed if he had a woman. It is a basic human right to found a family (European Convention of HRFF). It's also a human right to be single, or do anything with the positive law. Moral law is a matter of opinion. Any kind of stigma is shameful - Hitler was good at that, and unfortunately he will not be the last to stigmatize. But its only my opinion.

There's no shortage of women out there. They actually outnumber us 9 to 1. The gratification I was talking about is sex. And to found a family is to have children. That's the type of family you and your uncle were born into -right? Without your mother and father, you wouldn't have been born -would you? That is how it naturally works -no?

That basic God given right to found a family or to be fruitful is being taken out of context in homosexual relationships. I'm not saying that homosexuals are bad people. But they have some facts they need straightened out. Just like Atheist who believe God doesn't exist. It's a good argument, but only if they truly want to know if He actually does exist. Other than that, it is just another excuse to not be held accountable for our actions/choices just like in homosexuality.