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Old 09-10-2008, 03:53 PM
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A teenage girl in central India killed herself after being traumatised by media reports that a "Big Bang" experiment in Europe could bring about the end of the world, her father said.

The 16-year old girl from the state of Madhya Pradesh drank pesticide and was rushed to the hospital but later died, police said.

Her father, identified on local television as Biharilal, said that his daughter, Chayya, killed herself after watching doomsday predictions made on Indian news programmes.
 
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Old 09-10-2008, 04:01 PM
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This is the pursuit of knowledge for the betterment of mankind.
Why is God even connected to this experiment?
Because the big bang is just a theory. And many believe that it's wrong to try to explore areas contradicting God's word. Honestly, even if the big bang happened, where did the "nothing" come from? Where did whatever caused it originate?
Me and many believe that no matter how close you come to explaining how the earth started, there will always remain ONE unanswered question and whatever your answer is personally depends on your faith and not the results of some 10 Billion Dollar experiment.
 
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Old 09-10-2008, 04:17 PM
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This is just insane

I mean, if she so believed in the doomsday predictions then why not just let them kill her instead of doing it herself as at least this way if the predictions were wrong she would still be alive...
 
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Old 09-10-2008, 04:26 PM
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Because the big bang is just a theory. And many believe that it's wrong to try to explore areas contradicting God's word. Honestly, even if the big bang happened, where did the "nothing" come from? Where did whatever caused it originate?
Exactly. So how is this experiment against God?
Even if we explain how the universe started and it's all scientific, that doesn't exclude the existance of a God.
So I don't see why people of faith would feel threatened by anything learned here.
 
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Old 09-10-2008, 04:27 PM
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This is just insane

I mean, if she so believed in the doomsday predictions then why not just let them kill her instead of doing it herself as at least this way if the predictions were wrong she would still be alive...
Honestly, we do not know every side to this story. What else was going on in the girl's life and such.
 
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^ Exactly..

They are just putting it on that when she could have other issues and probably did.

I just love the way the news picks up on things and just tries to paint things one colour.
 
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Old 09-10-2008, 06:06 PM
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This is the pursuit of knowledge for the betterment of mankind.
The pursuit of knowledge for the betterment of mankind in and of itself is fine. The method of doing it is however suspect. Using money that was taken by force presents a hardly tenable position.

Even if, say, an experiment cured cancer, doing it against the will of the victim is wrong.
 
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Old 09-10-2008, 07:31 PM
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The pursuit of knowledge for the betterment of mankind in and of itself is fine. The method of doing it is however suspect. Using money that was taken by force presents a hardly tenable position.
I agree completely. It would have been nice if this experiment were privately funded.
But, at least with public money, these scientists should (in theory) be answerable to the public and any knowledge gained should be freely available to anyone who wants it.
If the people are paying the bill then the people own the knowledge.
 
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You see, somehow the experiment has been going positive.

I am an enthusiast of this kind so maybe you should go with the flow of the change in the world.

I think it is part of our FATE that maybe or maybe not God have already look forward to.

I'm sure Physics Scientist are just want to know some essential truth, hence that was what the MAN had been looking for since they existed.

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I give you the BBC's guide to the LHC, in particular check out the Q&A section and the Computing section.

The LHC has made big advances in grid computing already. The previous collider led to the web. The benefits of pure science such as this can't always be foreseen. What might come out of it nobody really knows at this stage.

From the Q&A section by Prof. Brian Cox:


Physicists can be a whole heap of trouble, having 10,000 of them with nothing better to do, twiddling their fingers is not a good idea. At least this keeps them out of harms way.
OK! Who removed my link. What!?! What do mean I never included it in the first place, that would be stupid, what kind of idiot do you think I am?

OK, don't answer that

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7604293.stm
 
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Old 09-11-2008, 01:10 AM
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Despite the massive amounts of money that went into this thing that could be considered a waste, I think it'll lead to scientific breakthroughs of some kind.

Maybe it will lead to cures for diseases? Maybe it will create opportunities for new energy sources and solve the worlds energy problems? Who knows, but I think whatever it paves the way for, money is going to get in the way of it and prevent it's full benefit from being seen.

Which is a real shame!
 
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Old 09-11-2008, 04:07 AM
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Classic socialist statement.

If it's nothing, then why don't they rely on money voluntarily given instead of money taken under duress by governments?
It's 10 billion over ten years, split between 20 countries. It's cost the UK £500 million, less than the Millenium Dome. Stop boring me with this piffle about "ooh, it costs a bit of money!"

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Its interesting that you mention this. I was talking to my dad about it today and he said that people were asking why American's were not building this, and why we did not have it here in America... Ok, so we've done some dumb things with money, but I think this is one that is obviously a good one to pass on.
You were building one. You spent 2 billion (I think) on it, before they pulled the plug on funding.

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I think the motivation behind this device is to do nothing else other than to disprove the existence of a higher power - God if you will.

What does man kinda really gain from knowing the answer to something like this? We should really be focusing on where we are headed, not how we got there.

10 billion dollars and 14 years. Jesus... WTF is wrong with these people.
I've never heard such rubbish in my life. If everyone thought the way you do, we'd still think the Sun goes round the Earth, and be questioning why that Galileo chap spent so much time and effort polishing glass to make telescopes.

The purpose of the LHC is to see if we are right in our theories about gravity, one of the most mysterious forces in the Universe, and to see if our theories about dark matter/anti-matter are correct.

And as for the cost, see my answer to John above. WTF is wrong with these people? WTF is wrong with you? It's a brilliant, genius thing they're doing and all you can do is b*tch, and you haven't even spent a damn penny on it!

If I didn't know better I'd say you were jealous.
 
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Yeah I think the idea of the project is the BEST thing a man can ever had for the history of space studies.

Some people are JUST OK for where they are and that they are like the people who died we don't know they have lived at all. What I mean is that man existed to do better things and not JUST to live and die.
 
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It's a brilliant, genius thing they're doing and all you can do is b*tch, and you haven't even spent a damn penny on it!
Last I checked, the US kicked in around $500 million.
 
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Old 09-11-2008, 05:35 AM
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US $531 million, to be precise.
 
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Old 09-11-2008, 06:25 AM
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US $531 million, to be precise.
Fair enough, the Americans have all chipped in about 20 cents a year. You're each chipping in about $40 a year for the Iraq war. I'd worry a bit more about that, if I were you. Or the Mae/Mac bailout, that will be way north of $10 billion. OK, so neither of those things are experiments for the betterment of mankinds knowledge of the Universe, maybe they are just 'God's Plan', but I know what I'd be pissed off about, and what I'd be looking to celebrate.

Or look on the bright side, maybe we'll learn nothing whatsoever from the LHC and you can all have a jolly good laugh at the scientists for the low, low cost of only 20 cents. I can tell by the tone of this thread, many of you would be delighted by that.
 
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Well, positively, this thread has revealed the CONTRIBUTIONS made by the US citizens to these ambitious project.

Later, they would either reclaim their part once successful or has advantageous results or declaim their involvement from its failure by protesting the wasted penny.
 
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Well, positively, this thread has revealed the CONTRIBUTIONS made by the US citizens to these ambitious project.
Contributions made by US citizens? That's grossly dishonest. Contributions are generally given of one's free will. Taxes are taken under duress.
 
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Fair enough, the Americans have all chipped in about 20 cents a year. You're each chipping in about $40 a year for the Iraq war. I'd worry a bit more about that, if I were you. Or the Mae/Mac bailout, that will be way north of $10 billion. OK, so neither of those things are experiments for the betterment of mankinds knowledge of the Universe, maybe they are just 'God's Plan', but I know what I'd be pissed off about, and what I'd be looking to celebrate.

Or look on the bright side, maybe we'll learn nothing whatsoever from the LHC and you can all have a jolly good laugh at the scientists for the low, low cost of only 20 cents. I can tell by the tone of this thread, many of you would be delighted by that.

20 cents? No. Governments took $10 billion off their citizens, by force. If I took $10 billion off people by force, I'd find myself in prison. As should the politicians.

Funny how you present a false dilemma here, again. Supposedly we have to be pissed off about one thing, and celebrate another. And it's between the Mae/Mac bailout and the CERN.

An intelligent person might suggest that both are socialist abuses taxation. After all, no valid social contract includes a blank check where taxation is involved.

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Probably another abuse there, but one a lot of Americans would be willing to live with if it ends up giving Iraqi people a truly representative government that respects individual rights. As opposed to, you know, Saddam Hussein murdering hundreds of thousands (or 2 million) of his own people.
 
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Old 09-11-2008, 07:03 AM
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What I'm saying is, it's like the Princess and the Pea.

You guys are being princesses, moaning about the LHC pea, without noticing that your mattress is threadbare and your duvet is a cardboard box. And moaning about the pea in the first place is the act of someone with no love of knowledge. By all means, see it in political terms if you like, be scared of the horrible communist taxes, but to do so is to ignore the great leap in knowledge they're hoping to make, because you're too hung up on the way it is funded to see the wonder of the thing.
 
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