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Old 09-09-2008, 05:57 PM
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$10 billion Large Hadron Collider

$10,000,000,000

Mostly money taken from taxpayers.

I got to wonder if somebody's priorities aren't absolutely out of whack.
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Old 09-09-2008, 06:02 PM
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Forget about the money side John.

If those crazy buggers that want to play 'God' get that damned experiment horribly wrong then the money will be the last thing on our minds.... literally.

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Old 09-09-2008, 07:47 PM
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Forget about the money side John.

If those crazy buggers that want to play 'God' get that damned experiment horribly wrong then the money will be the last thing on our minds.... literally.

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If they lose control of those little black holes they're going to create, it's all over for all of us. Pretty much instantly.
 
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Old 09-09-2008, 09:40 PM
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I am SPLIT on this one, on the one hand you have the laws of physics, on the other hand, man is pretty much the one who wrote those laws so a break in one of them wouldn't be the biggest surprise.....although the last one possibly...
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:33 PM
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$10,000,000,000

Mostly money taken from taxpayers.

I got to wonder if somebody's priorities aren't absolutely out of whack.
From a documentary I watched on this topic:
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There's still the distinct possibility we will learn nothing from all this.
Yup! Pretty steep price tag for a possible 'nothing'...

I posted about the LHC here a while ago. I think I stated something along the lines of, "On the plus side, if something does go wrong, we won't feel a thing."
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Old 09-09-2008, 10:37 PM
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Yeah Star,

You posted I believe about the lawsuits that had been filed and denied on the U.S. side if not mistaken, I remember reading something along those lines...........
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"Anyone who thinks the LHC will destroy the world is a tw*t!"

Professor Brian Cox - Manchester University, in charge of the CMS and ATLAS upgrades
Royal Society Research Fellow
Member of the CERN ATLAS Team
International Fellow Of The Explorers Club
Holder of The Lord Kelvin Award

I think that sums it up pretty succinctly. 10 billion dollars is about the same as a decent-sized oil company's quarterly profits. It's nothing.

It's the same as the monthly spend in Iraq. Except this was spent over ten years or so.

It's one of the most exciting experiments ever. It's exciting even if they don't find the Higgs boson, but most scientists say it's likely to be found. If they don't find it, we'll have to rewrite physics and admit we got a lot of physics very wrong. That in itself is part of the glory of the scientific method.
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"Anyone who thinks the LHC will destroy the world is a tw*t!"

Professor Brian Cox - Manchester University, in charge of the CMS and ATLAS upgrades
Royal Society Research Fellow
Member of the CERN ATLAS Team
International Fellow Of The Explorers Club
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I've been reading about all the crazy theoretical particles that could be created by this experiment, and the possibilities of today becoming a 'zero point' for time travel, not to mention the black holes! It's unnerving stuff!


I think it's a good investment of the money tbh, it could lead to unseen scientific advances to benefit mankind. Let's just hope nothing goes wrong!
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You forgot to add...

Third Cousin of Biggus Dickus
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Voted Most Pompous Of All Asses In 2008

...to his credits.
And that he had a #1 hit in the pop charts, and 2 other 'top ten' hits over here in the UK when he was keyboard player with D:Ream.

You can see his show on the LHC here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00dccnr/

He's a cool dude.
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First Test a Success......collision possible in the next few months.....

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I give you the BBC's guide to the LHC, in particular check out the Q&A section and the Computing section.

The LHC has made big advances in grid computing already. The previous collider led to the web. The benefits of pure science such as this can't always be foreseen. What might come out of it nobody really knows at this stage.

From the Q&A section by Prof. Brian Cox:
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A: I wish I knew! Let me give one positive example from history. Quantum mechanics was developed to maturity as a theory during the 1920s and by 1947 we had the first transistor.

It is often said, I think with some justification, that it is extremely unlikely that transistors could have been developed without the quantum theory.

Perhaps we are on the verge of a similar leap when we deepen our understanding of the sub-atomic world once again at LHC - who knows!
Physicists can be a whole heap of trouble, having 10,000 of them with nothing better to do, twiddling their fingers is not a good idea. At least this keeps them out of harms way.
 
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Physicists can be a whole heap of trouble, having 10,000 of them with nothing better to do, twiddling their fingers is not a good idea. At least this keeps them out of harms way.
I would lend that to being an understatement!
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10 billion dollars is about the same as a decent-sized oil company's quarterly profits. It's nothing.
Classic socialist statement.

If it's nothing, then why don't they rely on money voluntarily given instead of money taken under duress by governments?
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The money comes into play, guys. Big time. In so many European countries they tax people to death and incompetent government officials have so much power and freedom to use it for their own little toys, that this comes as no surprise to me.

And yes, I do agree, I am a lot more worried about the safety of human kind than the money lost by herds and masses who cannot seem to take back their country and come up with smarter ways to control spending rather than increasing taxes.

Absolutely rediculous, and just another reason why the United States needs to keep an eye on the world.

OK, enough. Go bash me for my statements.
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$10,000,000,000

Mostly money taken from taxpayers.

I got to wonder if somebody's priorities aren't absolutely out of whack.
Its interesting that you mention this. I was talking to my dad about it today and he said that people were asking why American's were not building this, and why we did not have it here in America... Ok, so we've done some dumb things with money, but I think this is one that is obviously a good one to pass on.

My wife and I were talking about it last night and came to a few conclusions.

14+ years and 10 billion dollars they could have:

1. Cured Cancer
2. Cured Aids
3. Cured MDS
4. Cured Alzheimer's
5. Cured Parkinson's
6. Solved World Hunger
7. Saved Darfur

The list goes on...

The first question my wife asked me about this thing last night when I told her they were gonna power it up early this morning was "WHY?".

I said so they could find out how matter was created, how the universe was created, the earth, the sun, the solar system, and life itself.

I know it sounds corny to some, but we already know the answer to that question. Even my 5 year old does.

I think the motivation behind this device is to do nothing else other than to disprove the existence of a higher power - God if you will.

What does man kinda really gain from knowing the answer to something like this? We should really be focusing on where we are headed, not how we got there.

10 billion dollars and 14 years. Jesus... WTF is wrong with these people.
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I think the motivation behind this device is to do nothing else other than to disprove the existence of a higher power - God if you will.
I think you are 100% correct about that. Those people in their wildest dreams are dying to confront Christians and say "Look, we have been right and you are wrong, so there you have it".

It's alarming and dangerous when people in power play God in the name of their own people.
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I think you are 100% correct about that. Those people in their wildest dreams are dying to confront Christians and say "Look, we have been right and you are wrong, so there you have it".

It's alarming and dangerous when people in power play God in the name of their own people.
The whole thing reminds me of "Jurassic Park", silly as it sounds -- when Jeff Goldblum's character said the following:

"You spent so much time asking if you can do this that nobody bothered to ask if you should."

Many could argue this about space exploration I suppose, though that has benefited mankind. We've been able to develop several things like satellite for tracking, positioning, finding storms, hurricanes and other life threatening storms. Advancements in computers, and the artificial heart, land mine removal devices, the material used for prosthesis, rescue tools for firemen, insulation for cars, gas detectors, and about 1500 items in all that have been a direct benefit to mankind.

Someone should have asked the question, "if you should".
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Having grown up in Germany, I have experienced "anti religious fanaticism" first hand. Some of those people either hate God or hate the idea of God or those who worship him.
They are obsessed with being God-like themselves and will go thru great length to fight their "cause".
It's scarry and part of why I believe having a president who believes in God in a non hateful way is essential.
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This is the pursuit of knowledge for the betterment of mankind.
Why is God even connected to this experiment?

I think you guys see a threat where one does not exist.
Mia gave a great list of things that have come from science and with much of science, it's difficult to predict what will result from a particular experiment or the knowledge gained from it.
As has been mentioned, their previous experiments have resulted in the www, among other things, without which, we wouldn't be here discussing this.
 
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