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Old 09-19-2008, 02:00 AM
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Vote third party. It's the only way change will actually happen.
 
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Old 09-19-2008, 10:05 AM
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How do you think voting third party will promote any kind of change? The only change I see that it would provide is you would take votes away from the other parties, mostly the Republican ticket in most cases. That would promote change to nothing except the election outcome.
 
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Old 09-19-2008, 11:07 AM
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The best thing to do is to vote Obama. Let him screw things up for 4 years so we can remind people just what 4 years of left does.

But seriously. What 3rd party are we referring to? Ron Paul? Ventura? Troofers? What specifically?

Personally, I think you have some pretty dynamic candidates on one side with a gender mix, youth and experience, as well as maverick thinkers, a moderate conservatives.

On the left you have just that, way to the left. The most liberal senator, arguably in the history of the senate, a guy who really believes his crap does not stink. Another one that says really stupid stuff about patriotism... You can't get more out of touch than that.
 
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Old 09-19-2008, 12:51 PM
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The best thing to do is to vote Obama. Let him screw things up for 4 years so we can remind people just what 4 years of left does.
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I have always respected the choice of the American people, and this year it won't be any different. However, there has never in the history of elections been a candidate less qualified than Obama is.
That is why this election is so heated. He will not only screw things up Jimmy Carter style, it's going to be a huge disaster which the whole world will wind up paying for IF that guy gets elected.
 
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:02 PM
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I have always respected the choice of the American people, and this year it won't be any different. However, there has never in the history of elections been a candidate less qualified than Obama is.
That is why this election is so heated. He will not only screw things up Jimmy Carter style, it's going to be a huge disaster which the whole world will wind up paying for IF that guy gets elected.
So long as Biden keeps opening his mouth, I think Obama's chances are going to slowly creep away.
 
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Old 09-19-2008, 01:21 PM
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So long as Biden keeps opening his mouth, I think Obama's chances are going to slowly creep away.
In the words of Obama himself, "The next President of the United States"
 
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Old 09-20-2008, 04:24 PM
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I can't pay my bills with "Hope", and I don't need change if it means the government will be into my life more than it already is. Here in New York the government on the local and state levels regulates too much as it is.
As A former NJ/NY'er I have felt the pain of all the intrusion and overburned taxes coming from my paychecks in the past. However, after moving to a state with no income tax and reassesing my life to move into a recession-proff industry, things couldn'r be better. Just Keep King obama out of my pocket, please.
 
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Old 10-03-2008, 07:49 PM
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Old 10-04-2008, 05:25 PM
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Thats pretty funny, but being a Democrat i will say this, as much as i want the man to win that fact that he is black will hurt him, its sad that in America the issues really don't matter.
 
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Old 10-04-2008, 06:51 PM
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Thats pretty funny, but being a Democrat i will say this, as much as i want the man to win that fact that he is black will hurt him, its sad that in America the issues really don't matter.
Being black isn't what hurts him the most.....being an elitist and marxist is what hurts him the most. His desires towards socialism are what hurts him the most. Bigger government higher taxes less citizen control. That is his message.

And before you say it, "But he's going to give 95% of Americans a tax cut. Well riddle me this, less than 70% of Americans actually pay taxes, so how can you give tax cuts to 95% of American citizens? And any way you slice it, allowing the current tax cuts to expire is in fact a tax increase. I seem to remember another person running for President making promises of cutting taxes and not raising taxes.....who was that?....Oh yeah it was President Clinton! in '92, what's one of the first things he did? Raised taxes!
 
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Old 10-04-2008, 11:32 PM
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Being black isn't what hurts him the most.....being an elitist and marxist is what hurts him the most. His desires towards socialism are what hurts him the most. Bigger government higher taxes less citizen control. That is his message.

And before you say it, "But he's going to give 95% of Americans a tax cut. Well riddle me this, less than 70% of Americans actually pay taxes, so how can you give tax cuts to 95% of American citizens? And any way you slice it, allowing the current tax cuts to expire is in fact a tax increase. I seem to remember another person running for President making promises of cutting taxes and not raising taxes.....who was that?....Oh yeah it was President Clinton! in '92, what's one of the first things he did? Raised taxes!
You sound like you have a wire connected from a Fox News feed to your brain. Are these your thoughts or someone else's? Have you read anything about Obama (or politics in general) that didn't originate from a conservative source? Do you really know what Marxism is or are you just repeating other people's words? Do you really know what socialism is? Do you really know how to tell when your taxes are raised? Can you look at your tax return history and know in the years you paid higher taxes that the extra amount traces back to a politician mandating a tax increase? Do you know this or are you taking someone else's word that your taxes were raised by an intentional policy change? I don't see evidence that you're thinking for yourself here or that you really understand the terms you're using such as "bigger government less citizen control." Do you really know what that means?
 
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Old 10-05-2008, 02:15 AM
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You sound like you have a wire connected from a Fox News feed to your brain. Are these your thoughts or someone else's? Have you read anything about Obama (or politics in general) that didn't originate from a conservative source? Do you really know what Marxism is or are you just repeating other people's words? Do you really know what socialism is? Do you really know how to tell when your taxes are raised? Can you look at your tax return history and know in the years you paid higher taxes that the extra amount traces back to a politician mandating a tax increase? Do you know this or are you taking someone else's word that your taxes were raised by an intentional policy change? I don't see evidence that you're thinking for yourself here or that you really understand the terms you're using such as "bigger government less citizen control." Do you really know what that means?
Hmmm...where to start.....I watch all the cable news channels so I can attempt to even out the bias, take in everything they all say and somewhere in the middle is most likely where the truth resides. I'm a Dish Network subscriber, I get the Obama channel, paid for by his campaign, I've visited his website several times and read through his proposals, and I've listened to countless speeches he's given, on CNN even as I like the HD they have, does any of that count as having viewed Obama through eyes other than a conservative source?

The raising and lowering of taxes is well publicized when it happens and is a matter of public record if one chooses to read through the legislation that implements it. My local property taxes are going up this year and I still don't have a paved road, or dsl, or cable in my neighborhood, nor is it planned to come here, the taxes are being used to do other things that aren't connected to rural citizens needs. What kind of question was that any how? Can one not see on their tax return that there was a change and if interested find out where it stems from?

Bigger government less citizen control, what happens in Canada and Great Britain if someone needs a heart surgery, or knee replacement? What happens if someone is experiencing problems but they can't be easily detected for a long period of time, what if they have the beginnings of a neurological illness that can also be seen a psuedo, but yet it could also be a number of real things that may not be detectable right away or if not specifically looked for? Who makes the decisions of how many doctors look over the case and tries to figure it out, who decides when the surgeries take place? If you have government ran health care then who do you figure it is? The citizen? the independently owned and competitive insurance company?

The communist parties are built on marxism ideology, socialism is the spacer between capitalism and communism. The idea of socialism is that Capitalism creates an unequal society by allowing a small portion control capitol, let us forget any freedoms and possibilities of owning your own business or having professional potential limited only by yourself. Socialism is the state controlling the capital interest and distributing it in what it sees as the best interest of all citizens......
 
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Old 10-05-2008, 02:34 AM
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Let me ask you a few questions Ewomack, what will encourage economic growth more? What will inhibit economic growth? Does a government controlled health care system hold more promise than a free market competitive health care system? Which offers patients better treatment options? Think 90's and unrivaled uncontrolled HMO's.

Which one do you like better Coke or Pepsi? Doesn't matter, here we have more Pepsi so you get this one today. This is where we are headed, George Soros is the most major supporter for MoveOn.org and Obama, How much money does this guy have, how much money do a majority of the people that surround Obama have? Doesn't seem like they practice what they want to preach to other to me. What about Wright, and Rezko, and Aires? Why hasn't Obama been grilled about these friends and relationships by all of the media? And there is another one that was just indicted I can't think of his name that Obama has had relations with as well.......he just stinks to high heaven every way you look at him, he makes more mistatements than Palin but they don't get publicized on all the news channels, what would be the case if Palin said she's been to 57 states, or any of the other multitude of oops statements Obama has made? What would be the case had McCain, or Palin went to Germany and made the speech that he did, or asked the Iraqi government not to sign any withdrawal agreements until after the election?

Not being irrate or radical here, just stating fact and asking questions, I'm really interested in a logical honest answer on these things, the Rhetoric is really really old.
 
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Old 10-05-2008, 08:28 AM
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Obama is what we need, but i doubt he will be what we get
 
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Old 10-05-2008, 09:04 AM
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You sound like you have a wire connected from a Fox News feed to your brain. Are these your thoughts or someone else's? Have you read anything about Obama (or politics in general) that didn't originate from a conservative source? Do you really know what Marxism is or are you just repeating other people's words? Do you really know what socialism is? Do you really know how to tell when your taxes are raised? Can you look at your tax return history and know in the years you paid higher taxes that the extra amount traces back to a politician mandating a tax increase? Do you know this or are you taking someone else's word that your taxes were raised by an intentional policy change? I don't see evidence that you're thinking for yourself here or that you really understand the terms you're using such as "bigger government less citizen control." Do you really know what that means?
if thegamerslink didn't know what marxism/socialsm was, he wouldn't have called obama & co out on it. stop begging the question and do some serious investigation on your beloved candidate.
 
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Old 10-05-2008, 12:21 PM
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Obama is what we need, but i doubt he will be what we get
Again meaningless statements with no backing of fact. Why is your opinion we are in such need of Obama?

Are you trying to have a real conversation in here or just trying to raise your post count? I can't tell.
 
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Do you really know what Marxism is or are you just repeating other people's words? Do you really know what socialism is?
ewomack, I often see you posting in a way that questions other people's statements in such a way as to imply that they are ignorant. 


Obama is indeed a socialist. He makes no secret of his plans for socialized universal healthcare. Obama's tax proposals are socialist. Obama's Obama campaign offices reportedly display support for Marxist terrorist, Che Guevara.

And it would be odd indeed if a socialist rejected Marxism, as both socialism and Marxism are united in their opposition to individual freedom. 
 
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according to obama it wasn't an "official" office.

 
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Again meaningless statements with no backing of fact. Why is your opinion we are in such need of Obama?

Are you trying to have a real conversation in here or just trying to raise your post count? I can't tell.
Possibly, but then again you hear that exact same one liner on the streets and on TV daily, and those guys are not there to drop links, just repeating the same old hoping undecided voters will say
"Umm, yeah, like I never voted and don't really watch news, but ok, I will do it".
 
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Old 10-07-2008, 11:50 AM
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ewomack, I often see you posting in a way that questions other people's statements in such a way as to imply that they are ignorant. 


Obama is indeed a socialist. He makes no secret of his plans for socialized universal healthcare. Obama's tax proposals are socialist. Obama's Obama campaign offices reportedly display support for Marxist terrorist, Che Guevara.

And it would be odd indeed if a socialist rejected Marxism, as both socialism and Marxism are united in their opposition to individual freedom. 
Not only is he a socialist, he learned these theories following Saul Alanksy and his various methods as a community organizer.
 
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