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Old 10-13-2003, 11:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How to choose a Dedicated provider.

What are your main concerns when searching for a dedicated hosting provider?

MAIN CONCERNS:

1. Having a large enough website to justify the cost
2. The cost
3. Security of Data and equipment
4. High Bandwidth
5. Trust in the knowledge and integrity of the web hosting provider
6. Technical support from the web hosting provider
7. Speed and Uptime


Let's look at these in order.

1. Surely you're not going to invest $400/mo for a website that has a few lines of text about yourself and a couple of pictures of your cat, right? That would be something that you could host at a $49 - $99 a month provider (if you're that serious about promoting your cat )

If you have a website that you're putting hours and hours of effort, ideas, and turning into a money-maker such as doing your own hosting, starting a personal business, etc..then you definitely want to look into spending those extra dollars and the money you make in return can most certainly justify your cost.

2. This is pretty much answered in #1. As I said, you really don't want to spend $400 a month hosting a couple of pictures of FiFi or Fido right? Most of the time, there are many "free" providers out there that are perfect for this (geocities, yahoo, etc). But when it's time to get serious, you most certainly want to check all your options and in most instances, you get what you pay for.

3. The provider is responsible for physical security of your server, which basically means that no one can walk into the datacenter and walk out with your server or data. However, most dedicated server providers do not have anything to do with the security of your system against Internet attacks .. it is your responsibility to make sure no one can compromise your system from the Internet. This is something that varies from provider to provider, so you will want to find out exactly how much help you will get when it comes to securing your server against an Internet attack. Most providers will not guarantee the integrity of your data unless you are paying for managed backups, and then they can only guarantee the integrity of the data on the backup system. If your data is important, there needs to be more than one copy of it.

4. How much bandwidth do you really need? Most of todays providers have enough bandwidth to suit the common population. The biggest misconception with bandwidth is that you need TONS of bandwidth if you're hosting Game Servers. The reality of this is that even if you're on a 10Mbit switch port, you're more likely to max out your hardware resources before you max out your bandwidth. About 90% of the web sites on the Internet only use 10-30GB of traffic per month, so providers offering 300, 500, 1000 GB of bandwidth are just trying to sway your decision with big numbers (marketing hype).

5. Research. What have you read and heard about the provider you're looking into? Now, I'm not suggesting that just because Mr. ImmaSpammer doesn't like JoeBlow Provider..that you should turn your back on JoeBlow Provider. Obviously, you'll have to take in all the information that you've researched and make a competent decision. Keep in mind that much of the negativity regarding a provider is due to the fact that the complainers did something that they shouldn't have and became upset because of the consequences. But again, I cannot stress enough...Research. Keep in mind that if the sales department is quick to tell you the answers you want to hear to every question you ask, it is probably too good to be true .. sometimes brutal honesty is needed, even if it is not the answer you want to hear. Some providers will tell you everything you want to hear until you buy the service, then you get hit with reality after they've got your money.

6. Technical Support. Are you a Novice or an Expert in managing your server? This is a question that you need to seriously think about. For the Novice, a managed provider with 24/7 support is for you. You most definitely do not want to find an unmanaged provider who does nothing but point you in the directions of the "FAQ or Documentation Pages" when you need help. Not only will it upset you, it will cost you money that should've never been spent in the first place as you have no business being with an unmanaged provider. Ahhh..the Expert. For those of you who are more familiar than what you really want to be...the unmanaged provider will not only be the best route, but the most inexpensive. I say the best route, because most of us who know exactly what we want on our servers, exactly what we want to do with our servers, and exactly how we want our servers to perform...we definitely don't want Support Techs (which mostly turn out to be CSR's working by 'howtos' of their own) poking around our servers trying to "make this run smoother" or "altering a config file that should've never been found in the first place", right? You definitely need to be true to yourself when it comes time to answer the question at hand: "Do I need support?" If in doubt, you may want to pay a little more at first for a managed provider to see if you really need the support .. it is better to wade into the shallow waters than jumping into the deep end and drowning.

7. Last but not least, Speed and Uptime. This is definitely a serious issue for most who are looking around for a Provider. Where is this provider located? What are "their" uplinks? Do they have an SLA (Service Level Agreement)?

Speed. Do you want to pay X amount of dollars a month to a company who provides you with speed at a rate that a Dial-up connection can beat? There are a few misconceptions on this topic as well. Many people can run ping tests or traceroutes from their home computer to their dedicated server, however...they fail to actually look at where the connection is lagging or dropping off. Meaning that if you have a Dedicated Server in Texas, you run a traceroute and see that the connection is seriously dying at hop 15 which is a New York provider..you cannot blame your Provider in Texas for that because it's outside their network. But most assume that since they cannot get the speed that they want to their server, it's automagically the providers fault. This is definitely not always the case.

Uptime. Who wants a provider that has a network that is down more than up? Many will offer a guarantee, but they have little behind it ("We'll just offer an apology"). You also need to look at what their actual performance is. Look for providers that consistently beat their guarantee, not those who do just enough to avoid paying out refunds. Also keep in mind that a 99.999% network SLA does not mean your server will never be unavailable. The provider can only be reponsible for the routers, switches, cables, and network cards. If you do something to crash your server or take down your web service, the provider is not responsible for this.
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8. Don't use rackshack (ev1-servers) if you do decide to get a dedicated hosting provider.
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While I dont disagree with either of you I do have to question the validity of inserting our own personal views into posts that are intended to help people decide if they need/could use a dedicated server vs a shared hosting enviorment.
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While I dont disagree with either of you I do have to question the validity of inserting our own personal views into posts that are intended to help people decide if they need/could use a dedicated server vs a shared hosting enviorment.
Opinions also help people decide. This thread was indeed started to help people choose a dedicated provider.. I see no harm in giving an opinion. It would spark the "why's" of not going with a provider, in turn having people give the answers...which is a good way to help someone make sure they choose a provider that best suits them.
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I always use the rule of keeping personal opinion out of the original article, unless I state that it's my opinion. However, usually people want to discuss and debate articles after they are written. I feel that it is valid to include personal opinion in these after-article discussions. It allows the writer to include personal experiences that they are ethically or professionally obliged to keep out of the original article text, and allows readers to see that it was a real person who wrote the article, rather than an impersonal textbook.

In my opinion, this gives the article more weight to the reader, and promotes the appeal of a valuable opportunity to interact and question the writer about the subject.
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Would you guys happen to have a "Top 5" list of dedicated server providers? I was always thinking of going with the Servermatrix.
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I like ServerBeach and RackSpace. I've looked and looked and looked. Very hard to find a good dedicated server company. ServerBeach is the best, IMO.
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Would you guys happen to have a "Top 5" list of dedicated server providers? I was always thinking of going with the Servermatrix.
I'll give you my personal Top 5 in the high and low price range: (however, only have 2 I'd recommend in each )

Low:

http://www.serverbeach.com

http://www.servermatrix.com (however, I'm slowly losing faith in them. When they branched and became ServerMatrix/The Planet they started having issues.)

Sadly, I don't have anymore in that list.

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http://www.rackspace.com

http://www.servint.net
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I was thinking to get one.. but then again.. i dont have the money..
I hope i could find a hosting company that would like to exchange a dedicated server to a design of mine or something!
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The two sites I work on, The Web Server Times and eDevCafe, are both on RackSpace servers. I'm told it's expensive but our admins are very pleased.
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The two sites I work on, The Web Server Times and eDevCafe, are both on RackSpace servers. I'm told it's expensive but our admins are very pleased.
Rackspace is expensive, but IMHO they're well worth it. You can't beat their Intensive and when they say 24/7 support they truly mean 24/7 support, as well as a reliable, stable, and fast network to boot. If you're willing to pay the price, Rackspace is the way to go for mission critical sites. And if you don't quite need the Lexus/Volvo..then I would say go get a Toyota (reliable and nice at an affordable price) at ServerBeach.
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How much do they cost? I never saw prices on the site.
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Yep. But that page is just listing some of the configurations. You can definitely go with other configurations that are cheaper or more expensive.
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How much do they cost? I never saw prices on the site.
They are VERY expensive, I know a company that has a managed server there and they're paying like $3000 a month USD. I couldn't believe it, and the server is not anything special at all.
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And just to let you know about my experiences.

Blacksun.ca = BAD
I have a big story on these guys that is almost as bad as the rackshack story. They tried to charge me for internal server bandwidth saying I used 3800 GB of bandwidth which was worth $20,000. Then found in the manual that bandwidth on the localhost (127.0.0.1) ip is internal traffic, and also asked on the cobalt mailing list, and this was confirmed and that is where 3750 GB of the bandwidth is on. So they were charging people for bandwidth based onw hat it said on the servers control panel and charging for local traffic. I wonder how many other customers they got to pay for this. I thijnk I need to put up a page like Mr. Scott's.

Datahive.ca = GOOD
http://www.datahive.ca
Great prices, good guys running it.
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Blacksun.ca = BAD
I have a big story on these guys that is almost as bad as the rackshack story. They tried to charge me for internal server bandwidth saying I used 3800 GB of bandwidth which was worth $20,000. Then found in the manual that bandwidth on the localhost (127.0.0.1) ip is internal traffic, and also asked on the cobalt mailing list, and this was confirmed and that is where 3750 GB of the bandwidth is on. So they were charging people for bandwidth based onw hat it said on the servers control panel and charging for local traffic. I wonder how many other customers they got to pay for this. I thijnk I need to put up a page like Mr. Scott's.

Datahive.ca = GOOD
http://www.datahive.ca
Great prices, good guys running it.
Or you could just add your story to server-admins website @ http://ev1-sucks.com/ to share with others and maybe give them a forwarning.
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