Trust?

[younghistorians]

Originally Posted by fishfreek

Hey thats sweet. Of course the 10/month is better than 100/year since there are 12 months in a year.

Does using this cupon void out your ability to use the referal code and earn 100 credit after 90 days?

Yes, it does void it

[QT_]

Originally Posted by fishfreek

Of course the 10/month is better than 100/year since there are 12 months in a year.

Only if you plan on staying with them for the entire year.

[younghistorians]

Originally Posted by QT_

Only if you plan on staying with them for the entire year.

I do plan to

[QT_]

Nice! Looking forward to seeing you over there then.

[younghistorians]

Well, currently I dont have enough $$$$ to pay for that and my site, so


hint click on ads hint http://www.domosearch.com

[younghistorians]

Also, anyone heard of:
http://www.server4you.com/


I can afford them!!!

[younghistorians]

hello?

[fishfreek]

I dont see anything of a real negitive. Cant say I have heard any experences from users.

I would suggest venturing over to http://www.webhostingtalk.com and do a search on server4you and read what others have had to say. Seems like with most compaines you get mixed opintions but i did not see anything of a real negitive.

[QT_]

Originally Posted by younghistorians

Also, anyone heard of:
http://www.server4you.com/


I can afford them!!!

Most of the issues discussed seem to be mainly setup problems which most of the time took longer then promised. However after setup I don't see too many negatives about them. As suggested earlier, if you search around WHT here:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search...der=descending

you can get a feel for the type of service they offer. Server4You is an offspring of a pretty stable German company and if I'm not mistaken, they've just came over to the United States a few months ago. So far, for their prices and what I've read..they're not so shabby. But if you choose to go with them, please keep in mind before you start complaining (if you do) that you're not going to get $100 or $200 worth of service for $49.

[Rob]

That's one hell of a nice design at http://www.avidnewmedia.com.

[younghistorians]

so now my 3 choices are:
http://www.serverbeach.com
http://www.avidnewmedia.com
http://www.server4you.com

[younghistorians]

great:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...ght=server4you

[QT_]

Originally Posted by younghistorians

great:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showth...ght=server4you

Has any of what you read helped you in making a decision, or coming close to one?

[server-admin]

I didn't like them becouse of their pricing

Pricing
Paid Yearly US$49.00 per Month
Paid Monthly US$64.00 per Month
Setup US$149.00


they are not any cheaper in the long run if your paying month to month

[younghistorians]

I guess Ill buy from ServerBeach then...great!

[QT_]

Originally Posted by younghistorians

I guess Ill buy from ServerBeach then...great!

I think you made a wise choice.

[ANMMark]

Originally Posted by QT_

Wow, they only offer RH 8.0? Their upgrades are a complete ripoff
even high-end dedicated providers don't charge that much. They're charging you full price for the cost of the upgrade component then billing you every month for it.

You can go to Webhostingtalk.com and perform a search on them, there are some opinions there from people who have actually used them. I'd say, read through them, shoot them an email with a few important questions and see how you feel after that.

I also agree with fishfreek and his comments as well.

Hi there. I realize I'm a little late on this topic, as I have only just now found this place, and this thread.

I would just like to point out that while I fully respect your opinion, that is all it is...an opinion. I don't mind competition. I do however, find it an unfair assessment to classify our company in the "ripoff" list, simply because we do not charge the same rates that you have seen elsewhere.

Our upgrades cost money indeed. It costs money for the part, and to pay a tech to install them. The monthly fee, we feel, is appropriate. After all, how can you justify paying only $89/mo for a box, with the same specs that another client is paying $120/mo for? It makes perfect sense to charge for the installation of the component (techs don't work free), and then bill per month for a higher spec server.

Also, at the time, we did offer RHL9. However, I'm assuming that the visits made to our site in that time, caught us in an update.

In addition, as far as our rates are concerned, and the inclusion of CPanel, etc. All of our servers are managed. So of course this carries a slightly higher rate We take the headache off of the client, and a price comes with that.

Again, I don't mind competition, but unfair comments, such as labeling us as a ripoff....I do mind. I found those comments to be unfair, and inappropriate.

[John Scott]

Welcome to the forum, ANMMark.

[QT_]

Originally Posted by ANMMark

Hi there. I realize I'm a little late on this topic, as I have only just now found this place, and this thread.

I would just like to point out that while I fully respect your opinion, that is all it is...an opinion. I don't mind competition. I do however, find it an unfair assessment to classify our company in the "ripoff" list, simply because we do not charge the same rates that you have seen elsewhere.

I'm sorry that you find my opinions unfair, but like you said...that's all they are...opinions.

Originally Posted by ANMMark

Our upgrades cost money indeed. It costs money for the part, and to pay a tech to install them. The monthly fee, we feel, is appropriate. After all, how can you justify paying only $89/mo for a box, with the same specs that another client is paying $120/mo for? It makes perfect sense to charge for the installation of the component (techs don't work free), and then bill per month for a higher spec server.

Also, at the time, we did offer RHL9. However, I'm assuming that the visits made to our site in that time, caught us in an update.

Perhaps, I'll venture over to your site again in the near future and check out your updates.

Originally Posted by ANMMark

In addition, as far as our rates are concerned, and the inclusion of CPanel, etc. All of our servers are managed. So of course this carries a slightly higher rate We take the headache off of the client, and a price comes with that.

I completely understand the stance on prices when it comes to "managed" servers....however....

Originally Posted by ANMMark

Again, I don't mind competition, but unfair comments, such as labeling us as a ripoff....I do mind. I found those comments to be unfair, and inappropriate.

Opinions are neither "unfair" or "unappropriate"...they're just opinions like you and I agreed on and everyone is entitled to them.

Not quite sure who you're referring to as competition, but I'm sure there are other providers out there who offer better services with perhaps better prices and some not-so-good providers out there who offer the not-so-good prices....the market is an evil place to have to work in, eh?

On another note...welcome to IMR.

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Just finished looking over http://www.avidnewmedia.com./dedicated.php and in my opinion, I still think the prices are outrageous for the upgrades:

Taken from your site -

512MB SDRAM $85.00 One Time Fee and $25.00 per Month

Charging the cost of the hardware is one thing, charging double the cost is something else. A 1GB stick of pc2700 RAM only goes for $90.00 now...and that's not even in bulk. At this rate, you're paying for that 512mb stick of ram 10 times a year ($85 + $25 x 12 = $385.00/yr )
Not to mention, the monthly fee for the RAM is more than 25% of the cost of your server (hell, that stick of RAM will pay for the server after a year).

Remote Reboot Port $49.99 setup fee & $19.99 per month

ServerBeach and several other providers offer this for free.

That's just a couple to point out.

The jist of my "opinions" are this:

If you're going to try to justify outrageous upgrade fees by putting a 'managed' sticker on something, why not just raise the price a little across the board instead of hitting people hard all at once?
This sounds like a loss leader to me. Pull someone in with a cheap price and smack them with a huge upgrade fee if they actually want to do something useful with their server.
"Oh..you wanted wheels with your car? That'll be an additional $20,000.99"
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[ANMMark]

Charging the cost of the hardware is one thing, charging double the cost is something else. A 1GB stick of pc2700 RAM only goes for $90.00 now...and that's not even in bulk.

Ahhh I didn't realize that you were under the impression that the hardware was all one has to pay for. You see, there is a matter of the cost of the component, and since we don't have folks install it themselves, we have to pay a DC tech to install it. The monthly fee brings the client up to or at least close to, what other clients are paying for the same spec boxes, in our DC.

ServerBeach and several other providers offer this for free.

That made it all clear what this is all about, and I refuse to go into a debate over who YOU think is better.

If you're going to try to justify outrageous upgrade fees by putting a 'managed' sticker on something, why not just raise the price a little across the board instead of hitting people hard all at once?
This sounds like a loss leader to me. Pull someone in with a cheap price and smack them with a huge upgrade fee if they actually want to do something useful with their server.
"Oh..you wanted wheels with your car? That'll be an additional $20,000.99"

Explaining the cost of "managed services" to someone that apparently is use to unmanaged, is almost a lost cause. There are costs to offering managed services, plain and simple. Unlike unmanaged services, we must actually pay employees to manage each server. We charge what we're charged for the upgrades. If the client requests an upgrade, we make no profit on it. The DC charges us that amount, so we charge the client that amount. We don't need to make a profit on the upgrades as most of our dedicated services revenue comes from the box iteself, with the reality, that the majority of the clients rarely need to upgrade.

Now, in regards to your anology....It's a little inaccruate to say the least. In this case it wouldn't be "Oh you wanted wheels with your car?" It would be more along the lines of "Oh you wanted EXTRA wheels with your car?"

Our servers come ready to use, and are built per purchase, and only a few have ever had the need to upgrade. The servers are fully functional and serve their purpose at the time of purchase.

The "jist of MY opinions" are this:
If you want to promote your own business, or at least your favorite business, it's not necessary to put down others and call them ripoffs. While opinions are appropriate, and fair...your statements were not. You straight out called us a ripoff, without knowing anything about our company, nor our services, all within the effort of getting someone to signup on ServerBeach (which I happened to notice in your signature). Again, it's fine to promote the company of your choice, but to blast another with unfair comments, and half truths is a completely different ballgame. We are not ripoff artists, nor do we try to hook customers with advertising, and catchy ad phrases. We actually are honest people, with a downhome attitude, and although that may be hard for you to understand, or even believe on today's internet....it still does exist, and any of our clients can testify to that fact.