ServerBeach

[server-admin]

Got my first 100.00 credit for the referal program from serverbeach this month So far they have done everything they said they would in server Quality, support, and customer service.

The server has run great from the start! unlike other companies I have used.

[John Scott]

In stark contrast to RackShack....

[QT_]

Originally Posted by server-admin

Got my first 100.00 credit for the referal program from serverbeach this month So far they have done everything they said they would in server Quality, support, and customer service.

The server has run great from the start! unlike other companies I have used.

I'm glad to see more positive posts on them, they sure did have a hard time in the beginning. But they've sure proven they're a competitor that's here to stay.

[miron]

I was half way through signing up with Serverbeach but found the following issues with their AUP:

- Limits on the nature of services. Although we don't run IRC or similar software, I would not sign up with an ISP that limited the type of applications we can run. There are ways to defend yourself against DDOS attacks - self censorship is not the answer.

- Adult content. Again, self-censorship is not the answer.

- Idemnification. They can defend themselves against lawsuits brought against them. As a communication carrier they are well protected. This kind of clause makes me think they will roll over and play dead if there is any kind of controversy... I would not want my site disconnected because of a meritless claim by a third party.

I run a low-traffic business oriented site, so these are not likely to be a problem. But I disagree with their stance and don't want to support them.

Regards.
Miron Cuperman
http://www.fillz.com/

[server-admin]

" This kind of clause makes me think they will roll over and play dead if there is any kind of controversy... I would not want my site disconnected because of a meritless claim by a third party."



I sell hosting account and I use their servers, Even when I had one of my accounts spamming, they did not shut me down but worked with me to remove the spammer.

You want to see a AUP thats really bad look at rackshacks / ev1-servers

[John Scott]

I haven't had issues with SB. Every host's TOS is designed to do one thing - protect the host. The only way to get around that is get your own fiber and your own boxes.

[QT_]

...way to dig up a 3 month old thread...

miron:
Would you sign up for a provider that stated that customers could run ANY application, including malicious tools such as cracking programs and DDoS agents? IRC can be just as dangerous to network stability as some hacker/cracker programs out there on the net.

You are paying for access to the ServerBeach network, and ServerBeach can police their network in any way they feel is necessary to maintain security and stability. The same rules apply to other areas of life. Sure, you paid for your car out of your own hard-earned money, but that doesn't give you the right to drive 110mph in a school zone. You'll get about as much sympathy out of the police officer who pulls you over as you would get out of the network admin who gets paged at 3am because the network is under attack because of an IRC server.

Most providers have indemnification clauses, it is almost dangerous not to. Unfortunately, hosting providers do not have the same protection as telco providers do when it comes to illegal activity on their systems. If you use a telephone to commit fraud, you are guilty of a felony, but the telephone company can't be blamed because they failed to monitor and block the call.

If someone puts up a server and on your network and starts stealing eBay accounts, you WILL be held responsible if you fail to take the server offline as soon as you are notified of illegal activity, and even then it is possible to file a civil suit. This does not mean you will be disconnected because of a meritless claim, it justmeans you will be responsible for any fees or damages incurred due to your action (or inaction). The indemnification clause basically passes the buck to the customer .. if the customer does something wrong, they pay for it. Why should the provider have to foot the bill for legal fees and damages?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by QT_

miron:
Would you sign up for a provider that stated that customers could run ANY application, including malicious tools such as cracking programs and DDoS agents? IRC can be just as dangerous to network stability as some hacker/cracker programs out there on the net.

Good point, QT.

[QT_]

It really irritates me to see people complain about any company's set of rules that they expect people to abide by. Most company rules are in place not to limit thier customers, but to protect them as well as protect themselves.

Can you imagine what would happen to the internet/highways/every day life...if there were no limits?

[fishfreek]

Well I will have to take my buseinss else where cause I wanted to sellmy server to mass marketing spammers and hakers. I was going to charge $1/month for shell access and for $5/month i was going to sell root access.

[miron]

I can accept that intentionally malicious activity should be prohibited. IRC, on the other hand, is a completely valid communication tool. I understand that some idiots on IRC like to DDOS people. But if they are not on IRC, they will find other places. They might decide to frequent bulletin boards. If you don't stand up for IRC users, don't expect people to stand up for you.

As regarding idemnification, if I post or do something unpopular, and the ISP gets sued for no good reason, I expect them to defend themselves. They should be able to have meritless cases against them dismissed. The idemnification clause removes their incentive to deflect such lawsuits.

[miron]

Glad to hear that. And yes, EV1 / Rackshack sucks.

Originally Posted by server-admin

" This kind of clause makes me think they will roll over and play dead if there is any kind of controversy... I would not want my site disconnected because of a meritless claim by a third party."

I sell hosting account and I use their servers, Even when I had one of my accounts spamming, they did not shut me down but worked with me to remove the spammer.

You want to see a AUP thats really bad look at rackshacks / ev1-servers

[fishfreek]

The only real deal with IRC is they dont want you running IRC servers off their network.

I ahve a website with a java IRC chat client on it and they dont care about that.

[kwvarga]

if you gunna get an irc server get an irc shell.. not a web server.

[Jonathan Lee]

I got a server from serverbeach, and they install just about
every single software package that can possibly exist
into your machine possible.
From a security standpoint, this is very bad.
I spent nearly half a day removing all those extra packages.
That is the most packages I've seen on any machine yet.
Wholly smokes. Tired me out removing them all.

Yikes! Usually, I install using the absolute bare minimum
that the OS will allow me to install with and boot up,
then I remove yet another 100 or so packages from
that till its so barebone that removing any more
packages will break something vital in the OS or in
other important software that I need to use.

I really would prefer it if serverbeach would just setup their systems
with the bare minimum, and if you need anything, you go out and
install it yourself. More secure that way.

[fishfreek]

I believe their debian install is fairly basic. I know its much more basic than the RH installs.