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Old 02-24-2004, 12:10 AM   #21 (permalink)
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its about 350 euro's, but then you only got the camera.

The great thing about this one is it's lens. It catches lots of light and has a huge zoom range.

But if I recommend it? I dunno, depends on what you are willing to spend. This surtainly is a great camera in the priceclass of 400-500 euro's (complete with some extra's)
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man.... that camera takes some real beauties .....

speaking of beauties.... click on some of these pics, that look like photographs but aren't .... this guy created these entirely in Photoshop without using pics or scans ..... I was blown away when I saw this guy's work...

http://www.bertmonroy.com/fineart/text/fineart1.htm#
are you sure there was no 3d programs involved
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Old 02-24-2004, 10:10 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Illustrator is vector based which is easy to achieve basic 3D elements on.
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there is the key... "Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop"
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its about 350 euro's, but then you only got the camera.

The great thing about this one is it's lens. It catches lots of light and has a huge zoom range.

But if I recommend it? I dunno, depends on what you are willing to spend. This surtainly is a great camera in the priceclass of 400-500 euro's (complete with some extra's)

You're right about the lens, I have a Sony DSC-F717, bought it for the lens but if I had known about that Z1 I could have chosen for that one, it's a lot cheaper and performes even better.
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man.... that camera takes some real beauties .....

speaking of beauties.... click on some of these pics, that look like photographs but aren't .... this guy created these entirely in Photoshop without using pics or scans ..... I was blown away when I saw this guy's work...

http://www.bertmonroy.com/fineart/text/fineart1.htm#
are you sure there was no 3d programs involved
well .. no I'm not sure if illustrator is 3D or not, That's a program I've yet to get, and I was mistaken when I said entirely Photoshop, Juggo is right, he used Adobe Illustrator and Adobe Photoshop, and as far as Illustrator being vector based, as Davey pointed out, I didn't know that, or the fact that vector is somehow associated with 3D, in fact, I'm not even sure what 3D or vector really means.

The guy that sent me the Bert Monroy link, specifically told me Monroy's pics were created using Photoshop and Illustrator, too, but I apparently didn't give much credit to the fact that Illustrator was used in the process, because I was and am totally unfamiliar with it.... so... my mistake, Calisonder, and I stand corrected. I'd like to thank DaveyBoy and Juggo for setting the record straight from the start here, this is trully helpful to everyone.

btw ... Bert Monroy, from what I hear, is #1 at photorealism. He's a truly great artist.
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vector grapic, is a mathmatical function, coded with all the colors and what not, thats why you can enlarge them with out any deteriaration, because it is an equation
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I see.... but is vector the same as, or similar to 3D?
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3d means an object has three demisions, for example, a cube is 3d, where as a flat square is not
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But what you view on your monitor are not objects.

do you know if vector graphics and 3D graphics are the same thing or similar?
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i know, but a cube, you can see 3 sides of it, and a square, you only see 1
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