Who do you want to win? - Page 2

Atom · 10-03-2004, 11:33 PM

Oh.... yeah, I think I know what you mean.

I'm not really positive what a fundamentalist Cristian is but, I think I have an idea.... like a Jerry Fallwell type?

Yeah... they don't scare me, in fact I believe in a lot of the same basic principals that they do I think, but there may be a few major ones that I don't agree with, I'm not quite sure cause like I say, I'm not sure what the exact definition is.

awall19 · 10-03-2004, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Atom

Oh.... yeah, I think I know what you mean.

I'm not really positive what a fundamentalist Cristian is but, I think I have an idea.... like a Jerry Fallwell type?

Yeah... they don't scare me, in fact I believe in a lot of the same basic principals that they do I think, but there may be a few major ones that I don't agree with, I'm not quite sure cause like I say, I'm not sure what the exact definition is.

to get a good picture at what is going on you need to intertwine the fundamentalist Christian line with the Strict Father mentality...

http://www.wwcd.org/issues/Lakoff.html#STRICT

the liberal mentality is more of the nurturant parent type...
http://www.wwcd.org/issues/Lakoff.html#NURTURE

both moral pathologies can be and are frequently misused
http://www.wwcd.org/issues/Lakoff.html#MORALPATH

its when you take things to the extreme that the state of society really slips...its all about balance. currently our leadership is not about any sort of balance. I am not sure if Kerry is, but his competition gave him my vote by being so out of whack.

If our political system was too far left leaning I may be more toward the right, but since it is leaning way too far the right I am left leaning. I think naturally I am left of the center, but center has shifted way toward the right due to the fact that the agendas pushing the right wing fundamentalist stuff have invested much more than those pushing the left wing fundamentalist stuff...this probably makes me look like I am way to the left.

most people are dual personality type. at home they can have the nurturant parenting model while being strict father model while at work. the trick is to figure out a way to light up the part of the brain associated with your views and extend that out to the family model as it relates to society and try to get people to carry that thought process to the voting booths.

had I not had such a shady background I would like to get more into politics to manipulate social policy, but because of my own shady background the best I can do is set up websites that kinda do it for me ...and then hopefully become a better writer who can write books on topics that interest me.

Atom · 10-03-2004, 11:50 PM

Yeah.... that seems a bit harsh ..

I'd be wanting a trade-in I think, if I had parents like in that 'strict' fundamentalist defiinition. That could tend to give a kid quite a little complex I'd say.

I was lucky, I have great parents, good balance, a profound wisdom both of them. They had some severe problems but they overcame them when I was around 12 or 13 years old, I believe I was.

Atom · 10-04-2004, 12:13 AM

I used laughing smilies above only because it seems so ridiculous to actually raise kids that strictly. More a sarcastic laughing.

I went to very strict catholic schools and man o man talk about strict, that sh!t was crazy. I won't deny that the basic principals of Christianity are very good, but that catholic stuff was just outta this world nutz a lot of it.

Spiral · 10-04-2004, 12:27 AM

As an example of Fundamentalism, George Bush does not believe that Dinosaurs ever existed.

Atom · 10-04-2004, 12:30 AM

Huh?

Are you sure?

I'd say it's pretty hard to argue with giant skeletons and bones being unearthed.

Where did he say that?

Spiral · 10-04-2004, 12:36 AM

Its not in the bible, so its not true. Thats the essence of Fundamentalism.
He made mention of it back when he was governor, I'll look for the quote.

He obviously doesnt advertise the fact that he is stark-raving insane because it would hurt the polls. This administration has some of the best marketing in the entire world.

Atom · 10-04-2004, 12:41 AM

Oh..

well... I personally believe that there are many facts not mentioned in the bible, I mean, that's just common sense.

Who ever said the bible had to make perfect sense to everyone to be correct, anyway?

You know what I'm saying?

It doesn't mention dino's ... SO WHAT?

Why not?

Who the heck knows???

Geesh!

Atom · 10-04-2004, 01:12 AM

You know what?

I don't care how logical or intelligent we think we are. Everything does not have to be logical and make sense to be correct. It's as simple as that. It really doesn't. We only think it does because that's all we know.

I have a profound faith in things that are most illogical. I just do. I can't explain it.

Well... that's just because of programming.

Oh really?

I don't think so.

I've a very strong feeling that these illogical beliefs are in things that are correct.

Absurd!

Oh?

How about better safe than sorry, then?

Will you go along with that then?

Don't be ridiculous!

Alrighty then. ..

Atom · 10-04-2004, 01:54 AM

Man's wisdom stinks. That's why the believers look like a bunch of nuts!

They know the truth but can't prove it.

Especially using man's wisdom. It doesn't work.

Faith is without logic, that's how it works.

Imagine yourself a young child starring up at a star filled sky on Christmas eve watching for Santa because you heard a story that you have no reason what-so-ever to disbelieve. This is an example of the kind of illogical child like faith that is required, or it won't work.

If you gain this, even for a moment, you are in for the surprise of your life.

Atom · 10-04-2004, 02:23 AM

The sad part is, it often takes personal tragedy for it to happen, but not always. But it all works out to the good, as you'll discover.

Brian · 10-04-2004, 03:41 AM

Bush.

I dislike Kerry more than the Yankees.

docquesting · 10-04-2004, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pimpen 2010

I want Bush to win, and my parents are voting for bush aswell. I will NEVER like or support Kerry.

I totally agree and for some reason it wont let me vote so here is mine.
Course yall know where I stand by now lol. For some reason I find that people really hate those that stand up for all thats fgood and morally right.

I vote Bush.

Dominic · 10-04-2004, 08:16 AM

I think it's time for a woman in the top job.

SVB · 10-04-2004, 08:42 AM

Kerry because he looks cool, like a president in some movie

Rivux · 10-04-2004, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by docquesting

For some reason I find that people really hate those that stand up for all thats fgood and morally right.

Sometimes you really baffle me. People have NEVER had an issue with others that are good and morally right. They just have an issue when its not THEIR morals. You would have no trouble finding people who think Bush is morally corrupt and is completely evil, just as you could find people who think Kerry is the same way. It's not that people don't like Bush because he is 'morally right', its that people don't think he has any morals.

If you are against same sex marriage, then you probably think Bush is moral for standing up against it. If you are against abortion, then you probably think he is a good person for standing up against that. But if you believe in same sex marriage and you are pro-choice, then Bush is about as morally corrupt as you are going to find.

docquesting · 10-04-2004, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rivux

f you are against same sex marriage, then you probably think Bush is moral for standing up against it. If you are against abortion, then you probably think he is a good person for standing up against that. But if you believe in same sex marriage and you are pro-choice, then Bush is about as morally corrupt as you are going to find.

Exactly what my point is, and I was going to say something along that line. It is the people re the above who have no morals. (As I mentioned before we are all sinners, and I am not judging the other party). Go read the Bible and also go read the Bible as to the above Issues as well. You will find out who is morally right. Wether you like it or not it comes down to good vs.evil. That may sound harsh but I am not saying it, the Bible already did. Are you going to call God a liar?

SVB · 10-04-2004, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Docquesting

the bible already did. Are you going to call God a liar?

God didnt write the bible

docquesting · 10-04-2004, 10:31 AM

He is the author of it. Man wrote it by either talking directly with God as Moses did or by the Holy Ghost. So did you just say that God is a liar?

P.s The Word says people that do these things (saying things like the above) are endanger of Hell Fire.