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Old 06-23-2005, 12:04 PM
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5th amendment being abused

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Old 06-23-2005, 12:12 PM
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that sucks.... but huh what is the 5th ammendment?
 
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Old 06-23-2005, 01:02 PM
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that sucks.... but huh what is the 5th ammendment?
"At issue was the scope of the Fifth Amendment, which allows governments to take private property through eminent domain if the land is for "public use." "
 
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Old 06-23-2005, 06:30 PM
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"At issue was the scope of the Fifth Amendment, which allows governments to take private property through eminent domain if the land is for "public use." "
Yeah right. Public use, as in "industrial expansion".

What it means in plain English is that the government can seize your house now if some company wants the land that it's on. That 'public use' is a very wide explainable term.
 
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Old 06-23-2005, 06:40 PM
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I think that what the ruling amounts to is more liberal governmental control, and a compromise on individual rights. So if some big private industry for example wants to move in, then the local gov has the means to allow it and root out private homes. I think that in essence what it's doing is allowing local gov such as city and town govs, to define the term "public use" in a manner they see fit.

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Old 06-23-2005, 07:28 PM
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i fully agree with the seizure for public means such as roads and schools but for a private office hrm


though its not total seizure, they do compansate
 
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Old 06-24-2005, 06:48 AM
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I was surprised when I heard that - but wasn't there a Supreme Court rulling that said that it was not right for a president...I don't remember who...Nixon (?) to seize a metal or iron company during a war or something?
 
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Old 06-24-2005, 03:50 PM
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president , possibly, but not local government, two different things
 
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Ahh...Its so nice to see Big Government and Big Business working together to screw the American people.

First they pissed on the 10th amendment with the marijuana thing (allowing fedral governmet power over individual states), now the 5th amendment with government seizures of private land for mega malls.

Are there all the fiscal conservaties in the United States dead ?
 
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Old 06-25-2005, 04:08 PM
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How surprising...

Shocking New Developments In Supreme Court vs. Homeowners Case

 
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Old 06-25-2005, 04:39 PM
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Seems to me that the homeowners should at least be paid somewhere in the neighborhood of 50% above market value if the US government theives are to have any sort of decency. And when I say theives, I don't mean the corporations or the city govs, I mean our US supreme court justices that are sherking their responsibility, THEY are the real theives here. If those people are forced from their $215,000 home with $60,000 in their pocket, it is a US supreme court judge or judges that are responsible, and no one else ... seems to me. City gov officials are often nothing but small time crooks, and they are NOT responsible for being what they are trained to be. Of course they're not going to do the right thing, not when money and power is involved and they're importance engrained into their very constitution. It is the fault of our highest court judges if these injustices prevail.

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spelling correction to the above ...

.. and their importance engrained into their very constitution.
 
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Old 06-26-2005, 06:39 AM
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That's not abuse, that's outright execution.
 
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Old 06-26-2005, 11:45 AM
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re:eminent domain property seizures

If these government actions are unfair (obviously they are) it is possible to change the law on both the federal and state levels. This Supreme Court decision does not prohibit new legislation as long as this new legislation does not itself violate the constitution. Legislation is often created to further define citizen rights. Another very viable option is further amending the Constitution itself. I think this requires 2/3 of the legislators in 2/3 of the states to vote for the amendment-not a difficult hurdle for this issue.
If you care enough to post on this thread, then email your legislators. All of us, both liberals and conservatives, can get this thing done.
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Old 06-26-2005, 11:47 AM
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atom, i'd like to point out only 5 of the sepremem justices should be picked on, the vote was 5-4
 
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If these government actions are unfair (obviously they are) it is possible to change the law on both the federal and state levels. This Supreme Court decision does not prohibit new legislation as long as this new legislation does not itself violate the constitution. Legislation is often created to further define citizen rights. Another very viable option is further amending the Constitution itself. I think this requires 2/3 of the legislators in 2/3 of the states to vote for the amendment-not a difficult hurdle for this issue.
If you care enough to post on this thread, then email your legislators. All of us, both liberals and conservatives, can get this thing done.
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I guess I don't really see where it's unfair to allow local govs to define "public use" in their own jurisdictions, but I think that the supreme court should at least define a minimum % over fair market value that the local govs or corporations/businesses can not pay less than.

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Old 06-26-2005, 12:19 PM
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atom, i'd like to point out only 5 of the sepremem justices should be picked on, the vote was 5-4
Yeah, that's true, and a good point. I do however, have a problem with who picks them to be supreme court judges. Isn't it the president .. or ..? Does anyone know?

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Because if it is (and actually, even if it isn't), let me let ya'll in on a little secret ... The office of the US presidency is, and has been for at least the last 50 years, part of a RACKET!

(Racket: A dishonest business or practice, especially one that obtains money through fraud or extortion.)
 
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Old 06-26-2005, 01:04 PM
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it would be the acting president at the time of the replacement.
 
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http://www.bushflash.com/14 <-- Welcome to reality.
 
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