Shoutwire is very unprofessional

sitetutor · 02-02-2006, 10:21 AM

For what it's worth:
Shoutwire has been known to act extremely unprofessional. They like to call names when someone submits a story wrong, and now one of their own has released this story: http://www.gapbridge.com/?p=63

Just wondering what you guys think.

It seems like www.shoutwire.com is being run by a bunch of kids who have never planned for their site to take off the way it did, nor are prepared to handle the spotlight too well.

Ferre · 02-02-2006, 10:30 AM

Yep, that's a racist article and I wonder how that dude can be an editor.

sitetutor · 02-02-2006, 10:36 AM

I'm not surprise for the reason that they came into forums lately and started bashing members for being "bad writers".

Quote:

On my worst day, I'm twice the writer you will ever be.

Stuff like that

Ferre · 02-02-2006, 10:53 AM

One of the members of our community (THC Ministries) is an editor over there, I'll direct him to this article.

sitetutor · 02-02-2006, 10:56 AM

Cool! I've also addressed this issue on my forum, but will stop it now. I'd like to see what comes from their corner next. If anything, maybe this can start turning things around for them a little bit. For all I know, the people running the place don't even know of issues such as these

Michael Allison · 02-02-2006, 01:21 PM

I'd say that article was written by a 17 year old in the suburbs whose parents are racist.

He clearly has no experience of the world and the writing is lackluster, at best, even if it is inflammatory.

It speaks poorly of shoutwire.

sitetutor · 02-02-2006, 01:24 PM

I have also put the story on digg
http://digg.com/technology/Is_Shoutwire_racist_
Interesting to see some of the feedback finally coming in. At first they've flamed me for whatever reason. The kids are everywhere, maybe it's time that the internet starts getting run by adults

xxoozero · 02-02-2006, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sitetutor

I'm not surprise for the reason that they came into forums lately and started bashing members for being "bad writers".

Stuff like that

first of all, you are not telling the whole story on that quote and you know you arent. That guy that the comment was directed towards insulted my writing first. Funny how quotes get skewed like that.

To answer the question of shoutwire bieng racist, that is the farthest thing from the truth. Our staff consists of blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, and we even got a chick. The story in question may have not been the way I would have went about making such a point as was bieng made there, but I support the editors right to free speech.

I've experienced racism, blantently and outright, more than once in my life. I will defend the editor in question, we are of two different races and he has always been straight up with me.

One more thing, those of you calling our site racist obviuosly didnt read my article on the nazi twins.

sitetutor · 02-02-2006, 05:00 PM

xxoozero,

first of all welcome to v7n, it's good to have you here as well, and I mean that

Now:

"African-American Rapist Rapes Again"

as the title and

"An Ohio negro"

as the beginning of the story, that sets a bad tone right away. That tone dominates the entire conversation. You may have many races represent, but can you speak for them all? It doesn't mean that the members of each race are behind the decision to air it like this. It means that they are not fighting it.

I bet you if I asked someone African American on your team, and the person trusted my confidence, the answer on "Does this offend you?" would be a lot different than the answer given to the same question within a staff meeting.

Thanol · 02-02-2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by xxoozero

first of all, you are not telling the whole story on that quote and you know you arent. That guy that the comment was directed towards insulted my writing first. Funny how quotes get skewed like that.

To answer the question of shoutwire bieng racist, that is the farthest thing from the truth. Our staff consists of blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, and we even got a chick. The story in question may have not been the way I would have went about making such a point as was bieng made there, but I support the editors right to free speech.

I've experienced racism, blantently and outright, more than once in my life. I will defend the editor in question, we are of two different races and he has always been straight up with me.

One more thing, those of you calling our site racist obviuosly didnt read my article on the nazi twins.

Just because he's your friend doesn't make him suddenly un-racist, regardless of your race. Futhermore, guess what? He can be prejudice against only certian races.

There is no need to mention the rapist's race in the title. Nor is there a reason to use the archaic term "Negro," especially in the phrase "An Ohio negro." Would you ever use the phrase "An Ohio jew" or "An Ohio aryan"?

The simple facts that the man's race is mentioned in the title as well as on the first line of the story, show that Scienott is emphasizing the race of the rapist and perpetuating the "Blacks are bad. They cause crime" stereotype.

OT: I need to get out of essay writing mode.

sitetutor · 02-02-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by xxoozero

first of all, you are not telling the whole story on that quote and you know you arent. That guy that the comment was directed towards insulted my writing first. Funny how quotes get skewed like that.

I'll have to read up on that again. I apologize if that is the case. All I remember is a comment from you saying "I'm a better writer than you will ever be", and that is the one quote that's stuck to my mind

xxoozero · 02-02-2006, 06:05 PM

Did anyone here read my piece on the Nazi twins?

http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/39...ing_Nazi_Twins

Racism is a serious charge. In the first post, it was implied that the entire staff of shoutwire is racist. That is false. I'm sure we can all agree on that.

Also, calling us unproffesional is unfair, seeing as how we have to deal with comments like...

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"It seems like www.shoutwire.com is being run by a bunch of kids who have never planned for their site to take off the way it did, nor are prepared to handle the spotlight too well."

Now, when did I ever say anything bad about you, Sitetutor? You even quoted a thing I said somewhere else and rolled your eyes at my comment. Then you admitted not to reading the entire thing in its context. Fair, enough, you apologized, but that you would even post it in the first place says alot.

If I flamed you sitetutor, I would have a damn good reason. You insulted me without even knowing me. However, I am not going to go that route. We all make uniformed posts from time to time, so I am simply going to understand and call it cool. It was a misunderstanding, nothing more.

Now, lets see some of that proffesionalism you guys were talking about. I agree the piece was in bad taste, and apologize to any of you here that were offended by it. The editorials on shoutwire do not express the views held by the site itself. Thus the title "editorial".

Thank you for listening to me and taking what I have to say into consideration. Please be fair in the future when you judge and accuse myself and fellow writers on the site of serious things such as this.

DOS · 02-02-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by xxoozero

we even got a chick

Whoa!!!1!! Congratz d00d.

Thanol · 02-02-2006, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxoozero

Did anyone here read my piece on the Nazi twins?

http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/39...ing_Nazi_Twins

Racism is a serious charge. In the first post, it was implied that the entire staff of shoutwire is racist. That is false. I'm sure we can all agree on that.

Also, calling us unproffesional is unfair, seeing as how we have to deal with comments like...

Now, when did I ever say anything bad about you, Sitetutor? You even quoted a thing I said somewhere else and rolled your eyes at my comment. Then you admitted not to reading the entire thing in its context. Fair, enough, you apologized, but that you would even post it in the first place says alot.

If I flamed you sitetutor, I would have a damn good reason. You insulted me without even knowing me. However, I am not going to go that route. We all make uniformed posts from time to time, so I am simply going to understand and call it cool. It was a misunderstanding, nothing more.

Now, lets see some of that proffesionalism you guys were talking about. I agree the piece was in bad taste, and apologize to any of you here that were offended by it. The editorials on shoutwire do not express the views held by the site itself. Thus the title "editorial".

Thank you for listening to me and taking what I have to say into consideration. Please be fair in the future when you judge and accuse myself and fellow writers on the site of serious things such as this.

That article actually makes me think even less about Shoutwire. Then again, "The editorials on shoutwire do not express the views held by the site itself." Well, actually what is allowed to be put on Shoutwire is reflective of Shoutwire's views and their tolerance for blatent prejudicial language. Just face it, Shoutwire is prejudice. It's not exactly bad thing. Everyone's a little bit racist or prejudice.

Anyways, back on to that editorial on the "Nazi Twins." I like how in attacking the twins you used prejudical side comments.

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cheap Taiwanese whores during a U.S. ship docking.

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These are the people who voted for George Bush and hate Pornography. These are the people that give our great nation a bad name.

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People like this don’t even live in Germany for Christ sakes.

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In the end, the decent people of this planet can take solace in the fact that these two young blonds will probably grow up to marry rap stars and have a brothel full of ghetto kids that run around calling each other “crackers” and listening to old Tupac cd’s. Because that is how irony works.

The real ironic thing is that in trying to clear Shoutwire's name, you've just exposed more prejudice and racism.

Michael Allison · 02-02-2006, 06:44 PM

First, I want to take back what I said about the writer's parents. It's more likely that he has some skinhead or white power freak friends that he thinks are cool.

As far as the article, I found it somewhat offensive. There is a big picture of the man in question and it's pretty plain what color he is. Why is it necessary to tell us what we can plainly see? It's fair to ask if, had he been white and there was a big pic of him like that, would his race have been mentioned - twice? No.

It's obvious that the article was written to plant little seeds of hate. That's the only way I can put it. It's just one more way to manipulate people's thinking in a negative manner. Furthermore, it was a clumsy effort, at best.

If you're defending that article or saying that it's not somewhat offensive, then there isn't much to discuss after that. It is offensive to me and I'm a white southerner. I can't imagine how a black person would feel reading that? Anyone with any sensitivity at all can see how offensive it is. It's as plain as day.

At this point, it appears you support that bit of "journalism". If that article doesn't reflect the values and standards of the organization that published it, then, perhaps, a disclaimer would be a good idea. Something along the lines of "The opinions and assertions of authors in no way reflects the views of shoutcast.com." If you already have one, I recommend you make it more obvious.

If shoutcast does think that the author showed proper judgement and represented their views and values accurately, then I'd say shoutcast is run by one or more people I don't want to know. I don't know anything about shoutcast. But I know what I read there. It was crap and the writer is a racist. That's really all there is to it.