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View Poll Results: Andrea Yates - Was she insane?
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:18 AM
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I wonder how long it took to kill all those kids. I would think 30 to 45 minutes. That's not an impulse. That's premeditated murder.
She had to fight her oldest son, he saw what she was doing and tried to run away, they struggled and she got him in the tub, him fighting her as long as he could.

She calmly laid them all one by one on the bed afterwards.
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:21 AM
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I think her husband is just as guilty
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:24 AM
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How so?
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:27 AM
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I saw a documentary on her life and he KNEW she was homicidal, yet did NOTHING about it. He committed her to a mental hospital on several occasions and willingly released her knowing she was still not well. The doctors told him her mental illness was triggered by pregnancy, yet he continued to knock her up regardless.

He had his mother come and "help" her while he was working....yet mom didn't get there till hours after he left. He admitted she could not speak or move much of that time.

He is guilty by WAITING for something like this to happen. He could've most def. prevented this tragedy from happening.
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:32 AM
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I followed the story for a while when it first happened. All the talk about post pardum stress & depression blah blah blah. Obviously it takes an altered state of mind to drown 5 children in a tub one by one. What I think about her in this situation are irrelevant I am no one to pass judgement on her. I am sure she will be tortured enough living with haunting memories or atleast I would hope so. i only hope she finds some form of resolve for what she has done.
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:32 AM
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"Could've prevented" does not equal "Guilt of committing".

I think you're just buying into that great American principle that a woman cannot be held responsible for something. If something bad has happened, there has to be a male to blame.
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:35 AM
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not true at all John.

I have no sympathy for such a thing no matter what sex they are. However, Andrea Yates was very, very ill and all those around her KNEW this and did nothing to prevent the inevidible.

She told her husband she had thoughts of killing the children. Who would leave their children in the care of someone who thinks of murdering them...mother or not.

Her doctors told him on many occasions her mental illness was triggered by pregnancy. Despite of this, he continued to have children.

He is guilty.
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:50 AM
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A lot of people are mentally ill. A lot of people have thoughts of killing people, but 99.9% of the time they don't do it. Only one person made the decision to kill those children.
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:51 AM
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Once again, we strongly disagree.
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:54 AM
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Okay, there was a case on Florida. At the university there, a guy and a girl get drunk. They have sex, both willing participants.

Afterwards, the woman claims rape. She admits that she essentially begged to get stuffed at the time, but claims that because she was drunk, her consent was null and void.

The guy, just as drunk, ends up in prison for rape. Why the hell did that happen? Hint: Because men are always responsible for the actions of women?
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:56 AM
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you always want to bring the argument to the "let's fight who's smarter; boys or girls"
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 06:58 AM
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No, Christy. There is no smarter or dumber. That's just nonsense. I'm talking about the social values that create injustice in the treatment of men and women.
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 07:07 AM
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you only make those "injustices" worse -

My comments on Andrea Yates has NOTHING to do with her sex in any way shape or form.

Susan Smith's husband was not guilty of anything.
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 07:25 AM
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Ultimately she is responcible for her own actions.

Even if her Husband was aware what was stopping her killing him?

I don't think anyone can be blamed besides her self.
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 07:38 AM
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you only make those "injustices" worse -

My comments on Andrea Yates has NOTHING to do with her sex in any way shape or form.

Susan Smith's husband was not guilty of anything.
Was he not supposed to work? He had a big family to feed.

I am sure he just took it as her talking and never dreamed she'd do something so extreme. I don't think he's guilty one bit but I do think it's strange how he's so forgiving of it all.
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 07:43 AM
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I think he's so "forgiving" because he knows he could've prevented it.

This was SEVERE mental illness, Colleen. She was incapable of doing anything and was committed many times throughout the years. She TOLD HIM she had fantasies of killing his children. I don't care HOW MUCH they needed the money, he should NEVER have left those children with her alone. For that, he bears some responsibility. Not even counting the fact that he joined a cult and moved his family into a freakin bus....
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 07:45 AM
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My sister was committed several times, but loves her children and is a great mother. I could say the same for a couple other people I know.
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 07:47 AM
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Kristeejo, I am going to have to read more about it, I didn't know he joined a cult. Do you think she sould serve jail time or is the mental home sufficient? You think they should both be in jail?
 
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I think she should never get out of a mental hospital. If anyone was insane at the time they committed a crime, it was Andrea Yates. They continued to let her out of the institution because her insurance ran out knowing full well she was a ticking bomb.

They joined a cult and moved into a BUS with all those children because they thought it was a sin to own property. All this while she was soooo ill.

I'm not sure he should go to "jail," because technically he nothing "wrong" in the eyes of the law, however, he is most definately not without blame.

If you knew 9/11 was going to happen, would you feel obligated to tell someone?
 
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Old 07-27-2006, 07:53 AM
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I think he's so "forgiving" because he knows he could've prevented it.

This was SEVERE mental illness, Colleen. She was incapable of doing anything and was committed many times throughout the years. She TOLD HIM she had fantasies of killing his children. I don't care HOW MUCH they needed the money, he should NEVER have left those children with her alone. For that, he bears some responsibility. Not even counting the fact that he joined a cult and moved his family into a freakin bus....
I do agree to this, though it's not just her husbands but also the systems for realising someone was unstable and allowing the husband to release her.
 
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