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Old 03-27-2019, 01:22 PM
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Problem has gone away.

Ghost in the machine!

Markets: good day yesterday, down day today.
 
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Old 03-28-2019, 06:06 AM
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Wasn't a good day for me and more of the same expected for today.

We need to resolve the Trade talk BS and get on with our lives.

At least I have a pleasant, cloudy day to look forward to.
 
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Old 03-28-2019, 09:36 AM
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:22 AM
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The US China tariffs. Also affects some imports from Mexico and Canada. China being the larger problem right now for the US markets.
 
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Old 03-28-2019, 10:43 AM
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Last bit of snowbanks on the court from street plows earlier in the winter finally melted. They use a lot of sand mixed with a bit of salt on the streets and everything is "grey/brown" out there now. I can't wait for the "green-up".

My yard is wet, but not soggy because the soil is still pretty much frozen and the water is running off instead of being absorbed - at least for now. The work I had done on my stone patio, for the most part, has held up fairly well over the winter. A little settling around the edge border, but we'll see.
 
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Old 03-28-2019, 12:42 PM
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Stone or pavers dry laid will always settle over winter just a bit. Even when the installer did everything 100% by the book.

Mine is still fairly squishy also with yet more rain for tomorrow.
 
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:56 PM
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The patio is a story for another day. I will need to break that story up into manageable pieces, over a week or more, so as not to overload the V7N servers.
 
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Old 03-29-2019, 05:55 AM
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Take your time and share what you like. Hard to believe April 1 is just around the corner.
 
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Old 03-29-2019, 06:37 AM
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I had an install done about 4 years ago. It is a stone patio that's around 25'x30'. Nice tumble stone pattern (can't remember the manufacturer). He swore up and down none of those stones are going to move, or sink. it was a solid install that would last for decades. Maybe with a little minor maintenance ever 7 years or so.

The yard gently slopes from the back of the house to the back fence at the edge of a forrest where there's a gentle drain of all the properties out and eventually to a storm water pond.

After the first winter, the decorative edge bricks that surrounded entire patio where the stone is significantly above ground ( remember the yard slopes from front to back), sank about half an inch, but the patio wall bricks remained firm. It was potentially a tripping hazard when you exit the patio to the grassy part of the yard, so I wanted him to come back to fix it.

I couldn't get the installer to come back in time to fix it that year (he kept putting me off) but he finally agreed to, and promised, to be back the following spring.

He eventually came back with lots of calls and prodding - fixed the decorative edging around anywhere the patio was above ground and sank slightly. Until the following winter thaw had some new surprises.

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Old 03-29-2019, 09:58 AM
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So far so good but I suspect a longer story is in the offing.

Wasn't there, didn't do it but would guess not enough base under the edging.
 
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Old 03-30-2019, 08:00 AM
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Yes there's more...

The installer fixed the trim bricks (which were a line of bricks around the patio adjacent to the retaining wall bricks) that sunk, by lifting them, putting more screening below them, etc.

The rest of the summer was fine - a little wet in the ground in front of the patio retaining wall (where I'd installed a couple of gardens) if I had watered the garden there or if there was a lot of rain, but it would drain away.

However, after the next winter thaw, the decorative stones and the 4' he had re-leveled had sunk again, and now the retaining wall (that was above ground) had begun leaning outward even more so.

A few things came to mind at this point.
  1. The guys didn't know how to build anything that wasn't at ground level
  2. they didn't anticipate or design a proper drainage plan
  3. And, he used "play sand" for between the bricks - not "poly" sand.

So now I've got a bout 4x20 feet of gradual sinking stone, a retaining wall that is leaning outward, and even with a promise of fixing it, he was a no-show.

There's still more...

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Old 03-30-2019, 11:32 AM
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Replying to what you updated.

I never use the poly sand as it trap water in low spots. I do put a very strong base under what I build as use minimal sand for the final leveling.

How about pictures, a wide angle and closeups of your problem areas?
 
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Old 03-30-2019, 12:46 PM
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I never use the poly sand as it trap water in low spots. I do put a very strong base under what I build as use minimal sand for the final leveling.
The sand was used just to fill whatever space is between bricks. Play sand dissipates very quickly and is twice-per-year task of brushing it in.

Poly sand is supposed to stop most of the water from seeping down into the base, but allow for runoff, thereby negating freeze/thaw, and resulting brick movement. Or so the various sites say.

Last fall, by chance, I met up with a landscaper on an unrelated mater, and we then talked about my issue, and a fix.

I've had about 4 feet swath of stone, from the edge of the raised part, all along the front and highest part of the patio, removed, then reinstalled once the base was corrected and again, leveled. Also needing attention was the retaining wall. It had to be removed, dug down deeper for a better base, tehn weeping tile installed, then a new retaining wall installed with new bricks. New bricks for the outer edge wall were needed because initial installer buddy glued them together and they couldn't be separated for reuse without a lot of breakage and labour. It was less expensive to have new bricks installed.

I say "retaining wall", but really it's just big patio bricks stacked on top of each other.

Oh, ya - initial installer buddy stacked them one on top of the other rather than staggering them, which made the wall more susceptible to moving.

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How about pictures, a wide angle and closeups of your problem areas?
Once it dries up a bit, I'll try to remember to take a few pics and upload the finished part, and a small part of the patio that still needs attention.

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Old 03-31-2019, 07:14 AM
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This morning it is hard to believe that yesterday I was sweating and wishing I worn shorts while mowing the front lawn. It is about 40 degrees colder.
 
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Old 03-31-2019, 07:58 AM
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It looks like a "winter wonderland" here - almost like a picture out of a movie with all the ground, fences and trees sprayed with snow. I'll see if I can upload an image here tomorrow.
 
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Old 03-31-2019, 09:52 AM
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You got snow yesterday or last night?

Guess I shouldn't complain too much.
 
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Old 03-31-2019, 12:05 PM
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Unusually cold overnight. It's all melted now.

I think Buffalo is getting slammed with Cleveland, Pittsburgh and maybe even Philly getting some later today. Weird weather.
 
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Forgive me. I'm glad it's there and not here.
 
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Old 04-01-2019, 05:25 AM
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Ugh - another dusting of the white stuff. No pictures of the patio coming for a few days.
 
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No records broken here but very cold overnight. Only 28f right now.

Hopefully winter's last foray of the spring.
 
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