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Old 06-05-2004, 11:47 AM
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Desertion is often done in the field. No courts, no discussions. You crap in your pants, you die.
Get a life, punk. You want to make crap up, go to some kiddie forum and do it.
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Old 06-05-2004, 11:49 AM
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Desertion is often done in the field. No courts, no discussions. You crap in your pants, you die.
No Retreat. No mercy for cowards. He who deserts the Motherland will be shot.
That was Stalins policy. Are you some sort of neo-soviet? Your views are the same as Stalins.
 
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Old 06-05-2004, 11:56 AM
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Old 06-05-2004, 01:18 PM
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I see a lot of mistakes in this thread, but you and your very first post, BeetMan, are the first.

BeetMan quote: "You seem to be forgetting the Eastern front. By the time D-Day happened the Russians did most of the work, and it was just a question of time for the Germans to fall."

Clearly, your statement here is a foolish attempt to discredit this topic and attempts to undermine the legitimacy of it.

For the degree and magnitude of this extremely ignorant and foolish INSULT,

I personally think you should be BANNED.

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Old 06-06-2004, 05:11 AM
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Well today's the big day :-)
Lots of events on TV, loads of D-Day films on, and the great looking D-Day in Colour documenary on tonight.
This day 60 years ago allied troops stormed the beaches of Normandy. Within 15 minutes 65% of them were dead. I was watching Saving Private Ryan last night, great film, recommended for a bit of the D-Day experience.
 
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I watched a programe on how people become killers. Most ppl in wars wouldnt have shot or tried to kill anyone they would have either froze up, hid or just pretend to shoot at the enemy. Only 2% went out to killed 1% of them were sociopaths and the other 1% were the "heros" who went out and killed because they new that if they didnt then their men and they them selves would die if the didnt
 
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Yeah I saw it too :-p
It slike in Saving Private Ryan, that American guy who was on the stairs crapping himself. Everyone else doesnt really try to shoot at the enemy, they just shoot roughly in that direction, they dont really want to kill. Its only 2% of soldiers who would want to kill, and those 'heroes' as you said.
 
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they dont really want to kill.

I find that hard to believe. When your friends are being killed, and relatives, and the enemy is trying to kill you, I would think that actually killing the enemy would be not only a priority, but a passion.
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they dont really want to kill.

I find that hard to believe. When your friends are being killed, and relatives, and the enemy is trying to kill you, I would think that actually killing the enemy would be not only a priority, but a passion.
Here, here.

If I ever get called to war, which I'd be glad to do, and the enemy was killing my friends around me.. I wouldn't think twice about pulling the trigger. Maybe on the first shot, but after that.. fire away. Easier said than done, yes. Impossible - no.
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they dont really want to kill.

I find that hard to believe. When your friends are being killed, and relatives, and the enemy is trying to kill you, I would think that actually killing the enemy would be not only a priority, but a passion.
It is hard to believe. But alot of soldiers are called out unexpectedly, not fully trained, in times of crisis when extra trrops are needed. At 17 years old or greater, a greta lot are cowering in fear, they dont want to move or do anything. Others dont want to kill and risk being killed or shot back at. But when they are fired upon, it is only human nature to fire back, its the pre war intentions where only 2% want to kill, during the actual battle, the only objective is to survive thourgh the objective.
 
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I see a lot of mistakes in this thread, but you and your very first post, BeetMan, are the first.

You're telling me!

Why didn't anyone PM me about this thread?


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I find that hard to believe. When your friends are being killed, and relatives, and the enemy is trying to kill you, I would think that actually killing the enemy would be not only a priority, but a passion.
John and Brian-
I don't mean to criticize your statements, and no offense intended, but I really don't think you have the right to be saying these things unless you've been in the position. We can only assume

Anyway, the soldier basically has two main reactions (this coming from an interview I did with a vet over this weekend):
1) Fight back-something along the lines of what John + Brian were talking about. You get a false sense of bravado, and do you what you need to do.
2) Why am I here? I shouldn't be here-I should be in school...AHH! Typically, deserting, hiding, breaking down, etc follow this emotion.

The vet I was talking with about this was a very nice and interesting guy...ill post some pictures I took later.
 
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I don't mean to criticize your statements, and no offense intended, but I really don't think you have the right to be saying these things unless you've been in the position. We can only assume
Kill or be killed. Seems like an easy decision for me.
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My grandfather fought in WWII, in the Pacific. He doesn't like to talk about it, but he did say that it was pretty horrific.
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My grandfather fought in WWII, in the Pacific. He doesn't like to talk about it, but he did say that it was pretty horrific.
Me grandpa fought in WWII also... he doesn't like to talk about it though, which is entirely understandable.
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alot of people are saying that the new World War II memorial is too shallow compared with other memorials such as the Vietnam Veterans memorial...after visiting it, I agree. It's missing a level of respect present at other memorials.
 
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Never seen any WWII memorial. I'd like to visit Normandy one of these years.
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Never seen any WWII memorial. I'd like to visit Normandy one of these years.
I'm going to Normandy this summer
 
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