Reciprocal linking

bcyber · 07-08-2004, 02:58 PM

I thought I read somewhere that reciprocal linking can be bad in some way but I can't seem to find it now.

I ask because I have traded links with around 100 other sites with decent pr and most never showed up in google when I do the link:mysite.com search.

Also, I would like to know if trading to many recip links can hurt in any way.

awall19 · 07-08-2004, 03:28 PM

sure it *could* hurt. generally it does not, but if you start linking into a bunch of sites that get penalized you may eventually get a penalty yourself.

toddieg · 07-08-2004, 10:57 PM

awall19 is right...don't link to bad sites

a good example is your dedicated servers site....it's probably not a good idea to link to 'Free Adult Porn - Free XXX movies' (at least thats why i'm assuming hoecams.com linked to you)

and i'll bet if you tried cleaning up your bad-credit-loans-repair site, targeted less competitive keyphrasesand got some backlinks from pages w/a pr4 or higher, you'd probably see some better results in the search engines. also, don't forget the good anchor text .... it's clutch.

-tg

Tariel Zivzivadze · 07-09-2004, 01:11 AM

Reciprocal linking is good, but Iwould like to hear you ideas here:

If the PR6 site adds about 10 outgoing links without getting a backlink from the linked site will the PR6 drop?

awall19 · 07-09-2004, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tariel Zivzivadze

Reciprocal linking is good, but Iwould like to hear you ideas here:

If the PR6 site adds about 10 outgoing links without getting a backlink from the linked site will the PR6 drop?

the pagerank of a page is not dropped by linking out to other pages unless of course those are penalized pages you are linking to

Tariel Zivzivadze · 07-09-2004, 01:25 AM

awall19

You know, I thought It would decrease and therefore never tried to have an additional link out of the first page.

brickred · 07-09-2004, 02:08 AM

Recipocal Links are Useful but cheack before place a link that link is valuable to you(Site) if you found any dout not to place a link in that case you may cause suffer. over all recipocal is helpful but with precaution

Tariel Zivzivadze · 07-09-2004, 02:14 AM

Ok,
several conclusions:

1. Linkexchange is overall good, but you need to carefully check which website you are linking to.

2. The PR of the page will not decrease even if you place let's take 20 links out of it to the low PR, but relevant (serious) sites.

3. Decreasing of the PR is not an argument for not linking out of it.

Are these right?

ferret77 · 07-09-2004, 04:41 AM

In my expereience pr seems to go down when you link out

or add more pages to your website

but why do worry so much abut the green bar unless you are selling links

rankings are what really matters

GoldDust · 07-09-2004, 05:38 AM

Pages that are linking to your site & giving you PR are also continuing to change and develop - Some of the sites that send you high PR percentage may have added a bunch of new pages that has decressed the vote that thier giving your site -

There are a number of variables that can decrease PR and that is one.

Tariel Zivzivadze · 07-09-2004, 08:07 AM

GoldDust
Of course.

Here is the case:

If the site with PR5 has 40 backlinks from 2-3 PR sites, will it (PR) eventually win by linking back to those sites? Or will it win by not linking out to them at all?

jacksdad · 07-09-2004, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awall19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tariel Zivzivadze

Reciprocal linking is good, but Iwould like to hear you ideas here:

If the PR6 site adds about 10 outgoing links without getting a backlink from the linked site will the PR6 drop?

the pagerank of a page is not dropped by linking out to other pages unless of course those are penalized pages you are linking to

Awall19,

I enjoy your posts and think you know what you are talking about. You've had good comments on several of my posts/questions.

However, in reading the mathmatical explaination articles on pagerank, I got the impression that it is like water and flows...

I think I even read in one authority article that outbound links DO LEAK (decrease) PR. In thinking about it, you could also be right... I am confused. Do you have a source for your comment?

jacksdad · 07-09-2004, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awall19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tariel Zivzivadze

Reciprocal linking is good, but Iwould like to hear you ideas here:

If the PR6 site adds about 10 outgoing links without getting a backlink from the linked site will the PR6 drop?

the pagerank of a page is not dropped by linking out to other pages unless of course those are penalized pages you are linking to

Awall19,

I enjoy your posts and think you know what you are talking about. You've had good comments on several of my posts/questions.

However, in reading the mathmatical explaination articles on pagerank, I got the impression that it is like water and flows...

I think I even read in one authority article that outbound links DO LEAK (decrease) PR. In thinking about it, you could also be right... I am confused. Do you have a source for your comment?

awall19 · 07-09-2004, 11:11 AM

linking out does not cause the pagerank of the current page to be lost. what it does is split the pagerank that page has to vote amongst all the links on that page. if you do not have much internal linkage on a page and link out to a bunch of sites then it will use much of that pages voting power on the sites you are linking to.

i honestly do not worry about it that much though. a few times I have linked to people with a single mention and they in turn linked to me from their most popular page or every page of their site (without me asking).

in a sense you may not want to link out to stuff, but in my opinion it never hurts to link out to good stuff.

i do also use the popularity of one of my sites to raise the pagerank or link value of some of the links pointing back to some of my other sites, but my own pagerank is not the only reason i do that.

Tariel Zivzivadze · 07-10-2004, 12:57 AM

So,
If the site with PR5 has 40 backlinks from 2-3 PR sites, will it (PR) eventually win by linking back to those sites? Or will it win by not linking out to them at all?

The answer might be:
If I link out to so many sites, the transferred PR will split between them and they will hardly feel that input. In any case I will win of backlink increase.

Am I right?

I, Brian · 07-10-2004, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jacksdad

I got the impression that it is like water and flows...

I think I even read in one authority article that outbound links DO LEAK (decrease) PR.

Water is how I think of it - it makes for easier visualisation.

However, PR preservation and loss I think is something of an outdated concern these days - the effect of PR in ranking seems distinctly muted - certainly in the more direct way it used to be attributed.

I've seen this for myself - for example, on one of my hobby sites (and without changing outbound links in the slightest):

March: PR6; Uniques/day: 1000
May: PR5; Uniques/day: 1300
July: PR6, Uniques/day: 900

That tells me the worth of trying to preserve PageRank.

UKZJ007 · 07-10-2004, 03:33 AM

PR is an important factor when doing link exchanges - its all good to say - I don't care about PR it doesn't affect your rankings - But would you trade links with a bunch of PR 0 sites? - I think not. (if so PM me and we can do an exchange

)

ferret77 · 07-10-2004, 09:48 AM

i let pr zero people in all the time

i got a bunch of new sites if you want to trade pr0 links

mortgage-pro-seo · 07-11-2004, 07:28 PM

I think linking out is a good thing. If you are linking out right you look very relevant.

I could see how this could help your serps in the future as the algorithm change & evolve.

UKZJ007 · 07-11-2004, 07:30 PM

Too many links = irrelevancy, and generally high PR sites tend to be the most useful and relevant resources hence another reason for not linking out to PR 0 sites.