Undertanding a bad neighbourhood page

[nandini]

I too like everbody want to get listed at a place where a decent PR will pass to me, but I also want to get listed in a place where not only a decent PR will pass to me but also improve my rankings in SERP.

When somebody asked how you distinguish between a bad and a good neighbourhood? I think Linkfarms, bad neighbourhood, blocked PR pages or whatever, have multiple links of multiple subjects on a single page.

In my opinion when so many sites unrealted to each other are listed on same page. They destroy the theme of the page. And I think in that case google spider is unable to assign a proper authority according to its subject theme. In these cases google blocks teh PR of these pages.

Somebody said pages having more than 100 links become blocked pages... No I don`t think so, I have seen pages with more than 200 links passing a decent PR.

It really depends upon the PR of the site and the authority of the site. A directory can become a link farm, if all the links are put on one page..

I have seen some pages which were selling links and making good profit started reducing their prices to an unbelievable level, because they were so busy making profit, they forget to give links only to relevant subjects, and all of the sudden they found google has blocked their PR.


I am not very convinced with this theory..
But just want to know what you people think about it.


--- Just my opinion ---

[ferret77]

this is how you define a links farm

if there is a directory of links on a competitors site and they rank higher then you, then its is a link farm

If the directory of links is on your site it is a themed resource

its really that simple

I think most people call use the term link farm are people who lazy to trade lots of links so they don't want anyone else to do it

the perhaps the only real defintion of a links farm would be a free-for-all links page

which sort of like a guest book , you can just automatically add your link by submitting, and people write software to auto fill them

they are not organized in any way and are just every type of link on top of each other

I will post a link to one if you want to check it out

[nandini]

Originally Posted by ferret77

this is how you define a links farm

if there is a directory of links on a competitors site and they rank higher then you, then its is a link farm

If the directory of links is on your site it is a themed resource

its really that simple

I think people call use the term link farm are people who lazy to trade lots of links so they don't want anyone else to do it

the perhaps the only real defintion of a links farm would be a free-for-all links page

which sort of like a guest book , you can just automatically add your link by submitting, and people write software to auto fill them

they are not organized in any way and are just every type of link on top of each other

I will post a link to one if you want to check it out

Sorry ferret if you misunderstood me.. I should have been clearer in the first instance itself.. anyways I read somewhere that...

If most of the points mentioned below are ticked for yes, consider it a link farm

1. Page/website whose sole purpose is to exchange links for search engine rankings.

2. Unrelated links

3. Titles or descriptions for the links in most cases is absent

4. Link farms are generally a group of websites crosslinking with each other.

5. They would never give you link without a reciprocal

6. Only designed for search engines and not for the user.


-- Just my opinion ---

[ferret77]

In repsonse

1. Page/website whose sole purpose is to exchange links for search engine rankings.

Um that would be almost everyone on this forum, I mean some people claim they just trade links for the 'visitor' but come on, who are they fooling

2. Unrelated links

unless a directoy is industy specific, it mostly filled with unrealated links, but i would mostly have to plead the 5th on this one

3. Titles or descriptions for the links in most cases is absent

do mean, no text outside of the anchor text?

4. Link farms are generally a group of websites crosslinking with each other.

Pretty much anyone who is involved with running more then one site is going to crosslink a little, I mean you would be stupid not to

I think it might become a probem when the only links going between sites are each other, but I havn't tested it out so I don't really know

maybe I'll buy a bunch of domains and try it just to see

5. They would never give you link without a reciprocal

well its either a link back or money, I don't know why a directory who just wants cash is some how more 'ethcial' then one that wants a links back

6. Only designed for search engines and not for the user.

Every site I and pretty much everyone one this forum makes is for the the search engines ..... and the user

I hate those stupid ethcial holy than thou catch phrases

"i design sites for the vistor not search engines"
"I don't chase algortihyms"

Who are they fooling if you don't design your site for the search engiens you won't have any visitors

anyways in the end google deceides what it likes and what it doesn't

so basically anyone who says a top ranked site is a link farm is bascially going against the highest authority, the actual serps

I read on another forum some one said that this is waht spam means

someone's
page
above
mine

[nandini]

I think ferret you are getting really excited with all this Link farms are bad neigbouhood.
In very very simple words,
i`ll say a bunch of links (greater than 20-25, though I am not very sure of the #s), which are totally unrelated for eg. one is for travel, other is for cialis, and other is for gambling, embedded in a page with a theme of lets say mobile phones... will or can lead to the blocking of the PR of that page.

I never say I don`t design for search engines, I say I design for both but my priority is for visitors, and rankings should be relied on offsite SEOs, there are some other things too, but that is another story...

I thnk we had discussed a lot on crosslinkings on other threads, and you had even wrote me PM(s) too, so don`t think I need to discuss that too.

Now people are modifying their links page to give it a directory structure. don`t you think there should be reason to that...

-- Anyways its just my oipnion ---

[ferret77]

I'm not really gettting excited , just some of terminalogy you are using is rather vague

I'm sure it would be pretty easy to find sites with totally unorganized pages of links doing great in the serps

which would pretty much blow most theories on the subject

[nandini]

Yeah!... many things in SEO are not easily understood.
And there do exists different schools of thoughts.

one very good example is you and me..
You are supporting unrelevant links on a page, and i am totally against it. I believe links should compliment the theme of the page.

Anyways... I believe on this point I won`t be able to agree with you.
But there could be many other things where we both must be students of same school of thoughts... for eg.. the picture you have used in avataar is really really very cute...

Cheers!...

[ferret77]

I'm not really supporting anything

except what you will see in serps pages

I only do what the search engine rewards

the picture is my pet his name is 'dog'

I though he would compliment the suit and tie pics

help so I can brand myself as an expert

help show my serious professionalism

[nandini]

Fianlly me and ferret agree on something... lol
cheers

[awall19]

my concept of bad neighborhood = lots of PILLZ, PORN, GAMBLING, DEBT

if you are readily openly exchanging links with anyone then eventually the most agressive marketers who create throw away domains will be exchanging links with you and you will eventually be penalized.

[jamestcs]

i don't agree - if PILLZ, PORN, GAMBLING, DEBT are bad beighbourhood, why in search engines we still can find so many websites for that ? it shall be all banned by search engines.

[speedyturtle]

So what if your competitor or someone who dont like you put your link in porn or in porn forums? Hope you get what i mean.


SPEEDY
enjoy

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by speedyturtle

So what if your competitor or someone who dont like you put your link in porn or in porn forums? Hope you get what i mean.


SPEEDY
enjoy

I doubt it would hurt if you have a solid link foundation. I've had people try to hurt v7n by spamming blogs, etc, but it didn't have any impact on our rankings.

[jamestcs]

Originally Posted by John Scott

I doubt it would hurt if you have a solid link foundation. I've had people try to hurt v7n by spamming blogs, etc, but it didn't have any impact on our rankings.

what happen if a website doesn't have solid link foundation ? do you think it can be sabotaged ?

[John Scott]

Originally Posted by jamestcs

what happen if a website doesn't have solid link foundation ? do you think it can be sabotaged ?

Perhaps. It's called Google bowling, and I've seen sites dropped from Google's index because of LOTS of low quality links.

[explicitzone.com]

Originally Posted by nandini

Fianlly me and ferret agree on something... lol
cheers

LOL

[explicitzone.com]

Good thread, it gives me some things to ponder about linking/pagerank.

[007c]

Originally Posted by John Scott

Perhaps. It's called Google bowling, and I've seen sites dropped from Google's index because of LOTS of low quality links.

Would very low 0-2 pr directories count as low quality links ?

[David E]

Originally Posted by ferret77

In repsonse

1. Page/website whose sole purpose is to exchange links for search engine rankings.

Um that would be almost everyone on this forum, I mean some people claim they just trade links for the 'visitor' but come on, who are they fooling

2. Unrelated links

unless a directoy is industy specific, it mostly filled with unrealated links, but i would mostly have to plead the 5th on this one

3. Titles or descriptions for the links in most cases is absent

do mean, no text outside of the anchor text?

4. Link farms are generally a group of websites crosslinking with each other.

Pretty much anyone who is involved with running more then one site is going to crosslink a little, I mean you would be stupid not to

I think it might become a probem when the only links going between sites are each other, but I havn't tested it out so I don't really know

maybe I'll buy a bunch of domains and try it just to see

5. They would never give you link without a reciprocal

well its either a link back or money, I don't know why a directory who just wants cash is some how more 'ethcial' then one that wants a links back

6. Only designed for search engines and not for the user.

Every site I and pretty much everyone one this forum makes is for the the search engines ..... and the user

I hate those stupid ethcial holy than thou catch phrases

"i design sites for the vistor not search engines"
"I don't chase algortihyms"

Who are they fooling if you don't design your site for the search engiens you won't have any visitors

anyways in the end google deceides what it likes and what it doesn't

so basically anyone who says a top ranked site is a link farm is bascially going against the highest authority, the actual serps

I read on another forum some one said that this is waht spam means

someone's
page
above
mine

LOL I agree with alot of the stuff you have just come out with - respect!

[tycoonjo]

Originally Posted by explicitzone.com

LOL

nice!!