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Old 02-19-2009, 07:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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SEO vs AdWords ROI

Hello,

I am curious about your experience with both organic search engine optimization and Google AdWords ROI. Some say the organic SEO beats AdWords by a mile in ROI, while other saying the two are very comparable if you know how to use one to supplement the other.

At the end, it all comes down to the cost per lead or cost per sale with either form of marketing. Love to hear your experience as to which one is more effective than the other or how to combine the two to make the marketing the strongest.

It is said that only 20-30% of web searchers click on the sponsored ads. Is this number still in the ballpark or has this changed?

Thanks in advance for your help!
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:07 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The ROI for adword can get very pricey.

I say if you have the choice between ranking in the natural SERPs or in the sponsor links area, don't even think twice and pick the natural SERPs.

The only time I use Adword is when a client needs to drive immediate traffic while we work on his website. Once the KPs rank high enoughm then we stop the Adword campaign.
Another time I use adword is for some keywords that are really important for the client and he has trouble ranking there. (too competitive, new website etc...)
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Old 02-23-2009, 08:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It depends on how well you do each one, if you have a good PPC campaign you can get more traffic, but some people tend to trust more the first organic searches rather than the paid results.
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(...) don't even think twice and pick the natural SERPs.
Definitely true. Specially if the keyword you are targeting has a very high searches. I really believe that organic traffic is far way better than Adwords. And also, the conversion is much higher by organic traffic compared to Adwords.
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I agree that adwords is only good for instant "need of Seek"for a normal need of seek/search be natural is the best way to increase all popularity search,and the best sample of this is wikipedia.Almost all natural search is start with them
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Old 03-08-2009, 03:23 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Cool It depends

If whatever you sell flies off the shelves, an AdWords campaign will work wonders — make sure to use PayPal for payments!

If you're more in the consulting field SERPs should be your priority.
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If whatever you sell flies off the shelves, an AdWords campaign will work wonders — make sure to use PayPal for payments!

If you're more in the consulting field SERPs should be your priority.
I wonder why you suggest paypal? We've been trying to use google checkout but not getting any sales... would you suggest converting over to paypal or offering both?
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If you site doens't rank for your keyword searches then you probably need to use adwords to get hits but you should be working on your organic results so one day you can cut down or eliminate adwords.
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What I noticed is that conversion rate from organic search is greater that conversion rate from AdWords. This happens for all my campaigns.
For some of them, the difference is small, for some of them is bigger (even with 50% bigger).
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I think it depends on industry competition. If it's high AdWords goes too expensive and ROI decreases dramatically. In this case SEO is much better.
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Interesting views.
If you are interested in making sales, and you know how to run a ppc campaign, then why bother wasting time jumping through hoops trying to stay up with Google?

For example, if you are making $50 in sales for every $5 in ad spend, why bother spending hours, days, weeks to optimize pages, get back links, write articles etc? Then google comes along and changes one of its algorithms, and all of a sudden your site is no where to be found and your traffic drops back to zero.

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Interesting views.
If you are interested in making sales, and you know how to run a ppc campaign, then why bother wasting time jumping through hoops trying to stay up with Google?

For example, if you are making $50 in sales for every $5 in ad spend, why bother spending hours, days, weeks to optimize pages, get back links, write articles etc? Then google comes along and changes one of its algorithms, and all of a sudden your site is no where to be found and your traffic drops back to zero.

Just my way of looking at it)

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Zeek to get those #'s either your conversion rates are through the roof or you are only paying 5c / click with a 1/100 conversion (still very good).

To get & maintain 5c/click your landing page has to have a good quality score & to get that it needs good SEO with which it will automatically bring free traffic.

I am very interested if you have a campaign that is getting that type of return - please post the landing page so i can see how you have optimized it.
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Zeek to get those #'s either your conversion rates are through the roof or you are only paying 5c / click with a 1/100 conversion (still very good).

To get & maintain 5c/click your landing page has to have a good quality score & to get that it needs good SEO with which it will automatically bring free traffic.

I am very interested if you have a campaign that is getting that type of return - please post the landing page so i can see how you have optimized it.
Ahhh.. The myth of SEO and landing pages
Here is the way I look at it. When doing ppc, SEO means a big fat ZERO. Why? Because real live Google people look at your landing page. Not bots. Those people don't give a hoot about Title tags, h1 tags or anything else.

What they do care about is that the Ad you come up with better match the content on your landing page real good. The title of your ad better match the title of your page. The content on your ad better match the content on your page. Your adgroups better be pretty darn close too.

For example, I just searched for lose weight fast. The number one ad was:

#1 Lose Weight Fast
I Lost 47 LBS Following This 1 Rule
As Seen On CNN, NBC, CBS & Fox News

Go to her landing page.
The lose weight fast and the "As Seen On CNN, NBC, CBS & Fox News" is in the header in big font at the top of the page, so you can't miss it.

The I Lost 47 LBS is below the header, again at the top of the page, on the second line.

This is what google people look for. I didn't check to see what the meta Title tag was, because it doesn't matter when doing ppc.

Now, I happen to know that this ad is doing very well for her, but let's say that it isn't. So, she needs to do some testing. She wants to test the title Burn fat and lose weight and leave everything else as is. So all she needs to do is change the title of her ad, and the words at the top of that one page and nothing else. In other words, she does not now have to go through and optimize the page for burn fat and lose weight.

Most folks who know how to do ppc do not use a homepage on their website to drive traffic. That is where you need to worry about SEO. Also, the shorter your landing page, the better, as long as it has what your ad said it did. Using the example above, a simple small paragraph with an OPt-in box to receive more info would be just as good and Google people love it.

While I pulled the figures out of the air to use as an example, they are not that far off. How do you think folks make thousands a day doing ppc? Change that $50 to $5000 and maybe the $5 to $1000.

I honestly don't know the percentage of people who click on the ads versus those that don't. And I doubt if anyone but Google knows for sure. Look at it this way. Unless you are an Internet marketer, you don't know the difference between the paid ads and search results anyway.

Lastly, does organic SEO beat ppc? Sure it can. You have to monitor ppc campaigns and once you stop your campaign, you make $0.

On the other hand, you don't have to worry about getting on the front page of Google and jump through hoops trying to please the Google Gods. Just watch what happens when google decides to "slap" the heck out of ya. Everyone goes nuts wondering why they dropped from the first page to oblivion. The fourms go nuts trying to figure out what happened. It really cracks me up.

The final thing is that people need to try and find out what works for them. What works for me does not mean it will work for you and vice versa.
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I am not questioning that PPC is successful if done correctly "monitored" but allot of work goes into optimizing your landing pages for both quality & conversions.

I have been doing this for along time & i will have egg on my face if i am wrong but i would bet money your example site is not making money & won't be in the top ten in 30 days.
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Its depend on what stage the web owner is

i suggest SEO to new bie
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i think its really depends, like if you wanna buy some thing online , you will definitely click the sponsored links
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if you want fast ROI then no doubt that Adwords will beat SEO. You need more time to see results with SEO compare to Adwords.
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