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Old 02-04-2005, 03:19 AM
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Google Directory PR updated

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Old 02-12-2005, 08:46 PM
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Interesting enough, I have a URL that I added about 6 weeks ago (was widely linked) that was added to dmoz that is now in Google Directory and showing some decent page rank ... yet, toolbar shows nothing so far - kinda cool! ;-)
 
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Old 02-12-2005, 08:50 PM
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Yeh the Google Dir PR is more up-to-date then the toolbar PR. I question the accuracy of it though.
 
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If i dont show up in their directory does that mean im not in the index anymore?
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Old 02-13-2005, 02:47 AM
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If i dont show up in their directory does that mean im not in the index anymore?
Getting listed in the Google Dir and Google's web search results are two different things. Getting listed in their directory is only possible through getting into DMOZ.
 
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google update both directory PR and toolbar PR quarterly, but not at the same time. I expect they'll update toolbar PR in early april.
 
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google update both directory PR and toolbar PR quarterly, but not at the same time.
Since late last year Google has been updating the directory almost monthly.
 
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Why has my site always shown as PR4 in the directory, but on the toolbar its PR5?
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Old 02-13-2005, 04:14 PM
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Why has my site always shown as PR4 in the directory, but on the toolbar its PR5?
For one of my sites Im experiencing the same thing. The Google Dir PR is meant to be more up-to-date but I dont think its accurate.
 
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but I dont think its accurate.
The directory PR and the toolbar PR are of a different scale. The toolbar uses 10 segments (PR1-10) to display PageRank and the directory only uses 8. They'll never "match"

Look at the source code for the directory pages and you'll see the PR displayed using images - "/images/pos.gif" width=38 height=4 and "/images/neg.gif" width=2 height=4

0) /cleardot.gif" width=40
1) /pos.gif width=5 /neg.gif width=35
2) /pos.gif width=11 /neg.gif width=29
3) /pos.gif width=16 /neg.gif width=24
4) /pos.gif width=22 /neg.gif width=18
5) /pos.gif width=27 /neg.gif width =13
6) /pos.gif width=32 /neg.gif width=8
7) /pos.gif width=38 /neg.gif width=2
 
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Old 02-13-2005, 05:51 PM
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DebbieV - that would explain things then! Thanks for that.
 
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Old 02-14-2005, 05:28 PM
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Not sure why people/webmasters are still so hung up on PR. For all practical purposes, PR is about the least valuable measure for any site, its current overall saturation, or status/importance.

In other words, PR is all but dead...
 
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Not sure why people/webmasters are still so hung up on PR. For all practical purposes, PR is about the least valuable measure for any site, its current overall saturation, or status/importance.

In other words, PR is all but dead...

I dont think thats correct. Since google states that pagerank is one factor in determining SERP, I'd say Pr is important.
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Old 02-16-2005, 06:52 AM
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awall19s,
You should subscribe to Webmasterworld supporter forums and read some pretty conclusive evidence as to the current status of PR, its inconsistencies, and its mis-direction as to the value of ones site.

I will agree that once you have thousands (even tens of thousands) of links from varying sites pointing to your site(s), then anything given from the toolbar's PR value is more consistent. But, at least half or more PR is very inconsistent from sites on the web from just a PR standpoint.

I have some very good articles on this subject from people that actally work at Google and consultants of Google. Ask me for them and I will happily send along...
 
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Not sure why people/webmasters are still so hung up on PR.
Seems that it's more of the novice webmasters that rely on the PR display, maybe to gauge their progress - Google has done such a fantastic job of marketing PageRank that it's not really surprising. As they start to realize just how little PR actually contributes to their ranking in the search results, you see them shift their focus to other factors that have a greater influence.

I think it's just a phase that the majority of webmasters and site owners go through - sorta like puberty (there are always a few that'll refuse to just grow up). I'm sure you'll even admit that initially you were impressed with Google's toolbar PR display.
 
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PageRank Explained

PageRank relies on the uniquely democratic nature of the web by using its vast link structure as an indicator of an individual page's value. In essence, Google interprets a link from page A to page B as a vote, by page A, for page B. But, Google looks at more than the sheer volume of votes, or links a page receives; it also analyzes the page that casts the vote. Votes cast by pages that are themselves "important" weigh more heavily and help to make other pages "important."

Important, high-quality sites receive a higher PageRank, which Google remembers each time it conducts a search. Of course, important pages mean nothing to you if they don't match your query. So, Google combines PageRank with sophisticated text-matching techniques to find pages that are both important and relevant to your search. Google goes far beyond the number of times a term appears on a page and examines all aspects of the page's content (and the content of the pages linking to it) to determine if it's a good match for your query.

http://www.google.com/technology/

It's explained right there. It is one factor in determing SERP. So pagerank has its place in the SERP.
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It is one factor in determing SERP
Yes, it's one factor. Not to be confused with most important factor.
 
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Yes, it's one factor. Not to be confused with most important factor.

Noob question but whats the "most important" factor? Still learning and would love to know.
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anchor text is most important.

pagerank is an outdated technology that google still heavily markets as relevant even though it is an outdated technology
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anchor text is most important.

pagerank is an outdated technology that google still heavily markets as relevant even though it is an outdated technology
so do you think it was removed from googles algo?
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