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Big G likes you like the farmer likes the lamb calmly going to the slaughter.
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09-06-2010, 05:36 PM
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Google is not evil. It just is. We can learn to work with it and make our lives easier or we can buck against it and make things harder.
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09-06-2010, 05:40 PM
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Google is not evil. It just is.
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It "just is" what?
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We can learn to work with it and make our lives easier or we can buck against it and make things harder.
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Feel free to surrender your privacy and independence if you so chose; just don't expect that all others will be so blindly willing to be sheep being led to the slaughter.
And, do not be surprised when Big G is felled by a smooth pebble.
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09-06-2010, 05:57 PM
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Feel free to surrender your privacy and independence if you so chose; just don't expect that all others will be so blindly willing to be sheep being led to the slaughter.
And, do not be surprised when Big G is felled by a smooth pebble.
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I did not say it was the best model, nor that I liked the model. But it is what we have and to work online profitably we must work within the frameworks it creates. They control the game. I, for one am not sitting out until the rules change.
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09-06-2010, 05:58 PM
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Google does not see any backlink to my site, but YAHOO and BING - yes!
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Unlike Bing and Yahoo, Google deliberately does not show all of your IBLs; and, not necessarily the same ones from viewing to viewing or ever more than 500.
Thus, Google's link reporting tools are less useful than others.
If the other two SEs have indexed a link, the odds are that so too has Google, even if it's not being reported.
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09-06-2010, 06:02 PM
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Only to the extent that you allow such to happen.
It is all those who suck up the inferior, but free, stuff, thus feeding the advertising machine, that gives them control.
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09-06-2010, 06:07 PM
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I agree Gs link: search is not a valuable tool...at all. Everyone knows that have plenty more backlinks that G figures in and counts in their formulas.
However the fact remains that G controls the SE market. If you want rankings on them you must play by their rules...no matter how unfair they are or how much you dislike them. Ignore their rules at your own ranking peril...or find loopholes.
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09-06-2010, 07:39 PM
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However the fact remains that G controls the SE market. If you want rankings on them you must play by their rules...no matter how unfair they are or how much you dislike them. Ignore their rules at your own ranking peril...or find loopholes.
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Think outside the box.
The young man knows the rules; the old man knows the exceptions. 
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09-06-2010, 10:54 PM
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You are paying for that free stuff by way of giving Big G personalized data about yourself, data which they use for advertising purposes, for products and services that you in turn buy. 
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Yes, they do..
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09-07-2010, 11:41 AM
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It is their new policy, I don't call it evil.
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09-07-2010, 03:54 PM
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It is their new policy, I don't call it evil.
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It's neither new nor beneficent.
There is no such thing as a beneficent dictator.
Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Well that's how business really works. They continuously growing up in order to provide more services. So that customer may still be loyal to G and to maintain they popularity. Additionally, to earn more money. 
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09-07-2010, 05:14 PM
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No, most businesses do not have visions of being the oberherr. 
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I'm dismayed by a lot of the posters in this thread. Their apathy, and willingness to lie down and let themselves and their data be taken is the reason why Google has turned into the evil entity that it is today.
People still naively think Google is just a search engine. It hasn't been that for a long time. Google is a corporation that mines data, and makes a $5bn+ profit/year doing so.
There is no such thing as a free lunch people.
If you think that facebook is also free, think again. Why do those advertisements on the side of facebook somehow target your exact demographic everytime you are online. That isn't coincidence, they track you and your private information and employ the advertising accordingly.
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Unlike Bing and Yahoo, Google deliberately does not show all of your IBLs; and, not necessarily the same ones from viewing to viewing or ever more than 500.
Thus, Google's link reporting tools are less useful than others.
If the other two SEs have indexed a link, the odds are that so too has Google, even if it's not being reported.
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Actually, if you use their webmaster tools they do show you a lot more IBLs. I've got numbers in the 2-million for one particular site, and that makes me think they show them all.
The trade-off? You have to verify your site and also use a login to access that data, which in turn also gives Google another data-mine (i.e. your website).
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When companies reach the top of the chain they want to continue to be at this position which means they will do certain actions which many small businesses will consider evil.
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09-07-2010, 06:15 PM
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Actually, if you use their webmaster tools they do show you a lot more IBLs. I've got numbers in the 2-million for one particular site, and that makes me think they show them all.
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Ever since the roll-out of the Caffeine hardware platform upgrade, WMT link counts have been goofy - that's a technical term - showing astronomical Total IBL counts, with the Detail Lists oft times being empty!
To the best of my knowledge, they've neither admitted a problem or yet fixed it.
Score one more for the "reliability" of Big G.
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The trade-off? You have to verify your site and also use a login to access that data, which in turn also gives Google another data-mine (i.e. your website).
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Only to the extent that you use their GA/Urchin JScripts, which is not necessary for using WMT.
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When companies reach the top of the chain they want to continue to be at this position which means they will do certain actions which many small businesses will consider evil.
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More precisely, what most people would consider to be evil.
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09-07-2010, 06:21 PM
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now i find it is hard to open google,,,i dont know why...anyone who can tell me ??thanks
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Must owe to their vaunted high reliability. 
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09-07-2010, 06:38 PM
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Ever since the roll-out of the Caffeine hardware platform upgrade, WMT link counts have been goofy - that's a technical term - showing astronomical Total IBL counts, with the Detail Lists oft times being empty!
To the best of my knowledge, they've neither admitted a problem or yet fixed it.
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The reports I looked at weren't empty. They showed an absolute plethora of links. What I did notice was that they tended to show ROS links, which meant that what was normally consider 1, might end up being thousands.
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Only to the extent that you use their GA/Urchin JScripts, which is not necessary for using WMT.
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Which is me lumping webmaster tools and analytics in the same basket
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The reports I looked at weren't empty. They showed an absolute plethora of links. What I did notice was that they tended to show ROS links, which meant that what was normally consider 1, might end up being thousands.
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Not all Detail Lists are empty.
However, given the volatile and astronomical Totals observed by some, along with some observing empty Detail Lists, one must conclude that such data are presently unreliable.
But, then, isn't that the "reliability" that we've come to love from Big G? 
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