Need some help with PageRank

Julie · 12-06-2005, 08:28 AM

Can someone give me a few pointers on getting up your pagerank? What the the most important things to do?

Julie · 12-06-2005, 08:46 AM

My sites in question already show up in the top 10 for the keywords (front pages of the search engines), but I want to get their pagerankings up as they are new sites and basically don't have a pagerank yet.

etech-peter · 12-06-2005, 09:17 AM

If you want to improve your site's pagerank especially if your PR is still 0, submitting to search engines will definitely help. Apart from that, make your site content rich, optimizing your site from an SEO expert and selecting proper relevant keywords might also help. Once your site gets a PR, then exchange links with high PR sites and sites relevant to your site's content to gain a higher PR.

Julie · 12-06-2005, 10:27 AM

thanks for the advice? anyone else got tips?

John Scott · 12-06-2005, 01:28 PM

Build links. Submit to directories - see the Web Directories Forum - and do some on-topic link exchanges. And buying adverts in the form of text links, in moderation, doesn't hurt either.

Julie · 12-06-2005, 03:15 PM

so basically links are everything? (besides having a good site with good content, etc)

John Scott · 12-06-2005, 03:21 PM

When it comes to PageRank, yes, it is based entirely on links.

techniner · 12-07-2005, 11:03 AM

Hey Guys,

Whenever I see this type of post I have to drop my two cents in.

If there is a site that is PR0 but converts sales like crazy would you care about PR?

Ask yourself "why do I want to increase my PR?"

The anser 9/10 is to increase "quality" of visitors to upsell your product or service.

Typically the best traffic is SE traffic so the main goal is to get your pages saturated in the SE's and indexed as much as possible.
Also get those keywords where you want them to be.

Don't worry about PR so much and worry about visitors.

PR is a selling point for marketers. I understand Alexa and PR are really the only two major gauges for a sites traffic, but they should not be held as gospel.

Alexa can be forged quite easily and Google PR is really just a marketing tool to sell grossly over priced text links and advertising space.

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jg_v7n · 12-07-2005, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by techniner

Hey Guys,

Whenever I see this type of post I have to drop my two cents in.

If there is a site that is PR0 but converts sales like crazy would you care about PR?

This is somewhat true, but personally I think that the factors mentioned are interlinked more closely than implied.

It's true that if you are top of the search engine results for your keywords and you have a good site that converts visitors into sales then PR is of very little consequence.

However it is unlikely that you can achieve such a goal, for one you will never come top in SERPS for any even slightly competative keywords unless you have a range of diverse and appropriate inbound links. Therefore you will gain PR almost as a side effect of your standard promotional work, even if its not your primary goal.

Aside from that you need to be able to value your site in terms of outbound links as well as the inbound ones that you arrange or buy, in this sense PR is still a valid (and valuable) measure. Despite being downgraded by Google in recent months it is still a far better guage to a sites popularity than Alexa.

As with most SEO issues I find that a adopting a position in the middle ground of current thinking pays dividens. To this end (and to help answer the origional question) John's recommendations are correct (Build links, Submit to directories, On-topic link exchanges, Buy text links); don't get too obsessed by PR, but always bear it in mind.

And also remember that the "value" (percieved or real) of links is still very much driven by PR and so the market in links, such as it is, will (at least for the foreseeable future) be driven by Google's measure of a site's popularity.

techniner · 12-08-2005, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jg_v7n

However it is unlikely that you can achieve such a goal, for one you will never come top in SERPS for any even slightly competative keywords unless you have a range of diverse and appropriate inbound links. Therefore you will gain PR almost as a side effect of your standard promotional work, even if its not your primary goal.

Totally true. As a side effect you are bound to increase PR. But I have seen PR0 with pretty good terms sitting at #1 so it works worth ways ya know?

Content is king.

jg_v7n · 12-08-2005, 07:23 AM

"Pretty Good Terms"? I'd like to see some examples if possible?

John Scott · 12-08-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jg_v7n

"Pretty Good Terms"? I'd like to see some examples if possible?

I'd also like to see that.

bcyber · 12-09-2005, 12:19 AM

Want the best tip ever?

Buy/obtain good IBL's in exponential rates. 1 one day, 3 next day, 9 next day, 18 next day...

bcyber · 12-09-2005, 12:21 AM

Other factors apply but if you have all the basics that you can read everywhere and have a good(old) domain you should be good.

John Scott · 12-09-2005, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by techniner

Content is king.

I have disagreed more than once.

http://www.v7n.com/marketing-content.php
http://www.v7n.com/pagerank-wins.php
http://www.v7n.com/quality-content.php
http://www.v7n.com/content-isnt-king.php

Michael Allison · 12-09-2005, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bcyber

Want the best tip ever?

Buy/obtain good IBL's in exponential rates. 1 one day, 3 next day, 9 next day, 18 next day...

Ok, stupid newb question here:

What's an IBL?

Thanks!

-Michael

Ferre · 12-09-2005, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcyber

Want the best tip ever?

Buy/obtain good IBL's in exponential rates. 1 one day, 3 next day, 9 next day, 18 next day...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Allison

Ok, stupid newb question here:

What's an IBL?

Thanks!

-Michael

One of my golden rules is: What I do not understand, I do not buy.

jg_v7n · 12-09-2005, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Allison

What's an IBL?

Inbound Link.

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I also find that you need to look at sites individually, most threads like this contain a whole load of generalizations that mostly contain some truth, but may not hold true for all sites.

Googles algorithms are undoubtabley complex, and with so many factors to consider, what holds true for one site may not for another. I think you can proove this with a simple consideration of Trust Rank, whereby Google tries to evaluate the type or style of a site on order to group it within a "category" of trustworthyness. Therefore sites of different "category" or "Trust Rank" will be treated differently.

This is why there are execptions to almost every "rule", I have seen sites that fly at top of SERPS on paid backlinks only, and I have also seen sites that do a lot worse.

I therefore think that the best strategy with regard to PageRank (or any general SEO tactic) is to consider the overall stratagies, but apply and react to the specifics of your site.

If it works for you stick with it - but don't assume that the same stratagy will work for the next site. You may need to try something different.

For me two things come out of this:

1) If someone says "Don't buy links", all that means is that it didn't work for them, it may work for you. If they say "Forget PR it's not important", well the same thing applies, if you get some good high PR inbounds it may well do the trick for you and boost you up the SE