Are SEOs are to be blamed for making web full of spam?

Manish Pandey · Share | #1 (**permalink**) 05-13-2012, 04:17 PM

With all the hue and cry going on after the Panda and the Penguin updates, I'm wondering if SEOs are to be blamed for making the web a bad place?

What I can say is, people who don't understand SEO are making it bad. How hard it can be for people having business sense to create something unique? If you can't create something unique then perhaps it's not the time for you to start.

Would love to see your comments.

CrisMonde · #2 (**permalink**) 05-13-2012, 07:27 PM

Blame people who don't really understand what SEO is and not the SEO itself....

williamsam · #3 (**permalink**) 05-13-2012, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Manish Pandey

With all the hue and cry going on after the Panda and the Penguin updates, I'm wondering if SEOs are to be blamed for making the web a bad place?

What I can say is, people who don't understand SEO are making it bad. How hard it can be for people having business sense to create something unique? If you can't create something unique then perhaps it's not the time for you to start.

Would love to see your comments.

Not really but if you do SEO using any kind of software that Google considers as a Black Hat SEO tools and if you use any black het seo techniques in your article than Google will surely considers your blog as Spammers blog and on next update it will cause to loose your blog forever

**HTMLBasicTutor** · #4 (**permalink**) 05-13-2012, 09:52 PM

A bit different spin on this idea:

Are website owners helping bad SEOs survive by not taking an hour or so to read through the Webmaster Guidelines and making themselves a checklist? Quite simple actually if they took their time. They don't have to become experts themselves but they can become informed consumers.

Dreamrage · #5 (**permalink**) 05-14-2012, 01:00 AM

True. I guess that somehow both are to blame in some way (IMHO). You have webmasters that want results and either don't know a thing about SEO, or don't really give a hoot, and they then get SEO's to work for them that don't know anything about SEO, or know everything there is to know, but works with software and bends/breaks the rules.

There is more than enough resources online besides the webmaster tools as well, that can show you what needs to be done, how to do it and how often, but I guess its a put off that it takes time to do that, where they know there are shortcuts they can use that will get them fast results.

robjones · #6 (**permalink**) 05-14-2012, 01:11 AM

The question is both true and also not so true... kinda like "Do drivers makes the roads unsafe to travel". Sure, some do. Others don't. But they're all drivers.

jjmcd82 · #7 (**permalink**) 05-14-2012, 01:26 AM

Even if there were no search engines, some people would still be putting their links everywhere they could - just for the clicks rather than the linkjuice...

seoservicesplus · #8 (**permalink**) 05-14-2012, 02:44 AM

I am not 100% agree with manish. Some times new SEOs makes mistakes or try to over optimize.

Manish Pandey · #9 (**permalink**) 05-14-2012, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by robjones

The question is both true and also not so true... kinda like "Do drivers makes the roads unsafe to travel". Sure, some do. Others don't. But they're all drivers.

LOL. Drivers don't make so much of hue and cry like the way SEOs make. Drivers know it was their mistake and just carry on. On the other hand, SEOs know that it was they who made the mistakes but blame it on Google.

What I want to say is, if something bad has happened to your site with the updates, you should undo as much as possible and avoid it in the future. This will help to make web a better place and perhaps a less frequent updates from Google. For a change the Google web spam team can take a deep breath, and see their index having no spam.

martz45 · #10 (**permalink**) 05-17-2012, 05:15 PM

SEO's should not be blamed solely for making the web full if spam. I could blame Google for giving inconsistent advise on how rank on search which results to a lot of black hat SEO's that blasts useless and crappy links (since they don't believe to the ahm so, oh boy guy here)

onlineedublog · #11 (**permalink**) 05-23-2012, 10:18 PM

Well this is why we have two kinds of SEO Blackhat and whitehat. Blackhat is spammy techniques and they are ruining the internet while Google itself supports whitehat techniques and provides ways to make Google Search results better..! by creating quality content..!

RyanWasHere · #12 (**permalink**) 05-23-2012, 11:17 PM

sometimes webmasters forget that the content is more important than spamming their sites just for the sake of SEO. Its good to gain page ranking, but at the end of the day, the visitors ultimately gives you more traffic via word of mouth and referrals. Make a website for people not web crawlers.

steveschmidt85 · #13 (**permalink**) 05-24-2012, 05:28 AM

Here we can say Half Knowledge can be dangerous. As i seen all people want to learn SEO (atleast around me) even if they are in Development(reasonable) or in any other stream. And than they think SEO is just a simple thing you can do by your know. You will just have to generate some links for your website only and your work is finished. I think this mentality could lead spam activities. People having good knowledge of SEO knows that spamming would not be helpful in any way.

**snakeair** · #14 (**permalink**) 05-24-2012, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HTMLBasicTutor

A bit different spin on this idea:

Are website owners helping bad SEOs survive by not taking an hour or so to read through the Webmaster Guidelines and making themselves a checklist? Quite simple actually if they took their time. They don't have to become experts themselves but they can become informed consumers.

Good advice. Just knowing Googles guidelines, an inexperience webmaster can know what's allowed and what's not allowed.

Google's SEO guide is a good read for any new person. In fact SEO experts or new ones just starting out better of read that guide. The good SEO's don't take shortcuts and do things slow after doing lot's of research.

I wish i could find a stat of SEO's clients who got hit by the panda and peguin updates and who did they use? Would be nice to see what SEO's have no clue what they are doing.

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Originally Posted by seoservicesplus

I am not 100% agree with manish. Some times new SEOs makes mistakes or try to over optimize.

I can understand a SEO expert making 1 or 2 mistakes when just starting out. If that person doesn't learn from his or her mistakes and it happens again, the client's site could end up with no traffic or banned from Google.

What Upset's me is if you check the stat's of some SEO's personal websites and official business site and find out there rankings are horrible for there main keywords, I would like to know the reason why. Don't preach to me that you can rank me on page 1 if your own rankings are in the 100's. I've never hired a SEO expert myself but the first thing i'd do is look at there webistes stat's and maybe clients stat's. Seeing spun content or keyword stuffed webpage is a big turnoff.

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Originally Posted by martz45

SEO's should not be blamed solely for making the web full if spam. I could blame Google for giving inconsistent advise on how rank on search which results to a lot of black hat SEO's that blasts useless and crappy links (since they don't believe to the ahm so, oh boy guy here)

Hmm, Google creates the algorithm and you basically saying they give bad advice? I'd follow Googles advice and also stay current with there algo changes. The folks doing blackhat are the ones who will never amount to anything online and eventually get caught doing this. It's a cheap way to make money but in the end, Google will nail ya.

titleseo · #15 (**permalink**) 05-27-2012, 09:44 PM

yes you are right. Normally people enter into the spammy link building process and it harms the website. That's the reason why google started banned those website which enroll in such process.

Manish Pandey · #16 (**permalink**) 05-28-2012, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by snakeair

What Upset's me is if you check the stat's of some SEO's personal websites and official business site and find out there rankings are horrible for there main keywords, I would like to know the reason why. Don't preach to me that you can rank me on page 1 if your own rankings are in the 100's. I've never hired a SEO expert myself but the first thing i'd do is look at there webistes stat's and maybe clients stat's. Seeing spun content or keyword stuffed webpage is a big turnoff.

Right you're Derek. If an SEO can't get his own site ranked on the first page of Google, then one should keep away from him.

**Jim Gillum** · #17 (**permalink**) 05-28-2012, 08:50 AM

IMO...not the real SEOs....but..
Those folks who found out that you can slap together a site, stuffed with popular search words, cover it with ads and make some money....
Then bang out a ton of links to anywhere and get some traffic...

Then do that over and over again...
soon making a couple of hundred bucks a month....
(A lot in some corners of the world)

Now the site owner can brag about making money as a site builder and as a SEO.....
His brilliant friends copy the program and wham...
In just a few short years .......trash net.....

How many time have you done research....clicked a link and ended up on a site that was just a bunch of spun garbage?

Manish Pandey · #18 (**permalink**) 05-28-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Gillum

IMO...not the real SEOs....but..
Those folks who found out that you can slap together a site, stuffed with popular search words, cover it with ads and make some money....
Then bang out a ton of links to anywhere and get some traffic...

Then do that over and over again...
soon making a couple of hundred bucks a month....
(A lot in some corners of the world)

Now the site owner can brag about making money as a site builder and as a SEO.....
His brilliant friends copy the program and wham...
In just a few short years .......trash net.....

How many time have you done research....clicked a link and ended up on a site that was just a bunch of spun garbage?

Absolutely true Jim.

**ScriptMan** · #19 (**permalink**) 05-28-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by snakeair

I can understand a SEO expert making 1 or 2 mistakes when just starting out. If that person doesn't learn from his or her mistakes and it happens again, the client's site could end up with no traffic or banned from Google.

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Just parsing your words cause that is the mood I am in.

They would not be an seo expert if they were just starting out. An seo tech maybe but surely not an expert.

**snakeair** · #20 (**permalink**) 05-28-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ScriptMan

Just parsing your words cause that is the mood I am in.

They would not be an seo expert if they were just starting out. An seo tech maybe but surely not an expert.

Very true. After a few successful jobs done, I would then call them an expert as they have a lot of experience with doing SEO on multiple websites in different niche's.