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Old 06-23-2006, 07:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Keyword Density and Google

We all know Google claims KW density does not make difference. I know it has little impact for competitive words but for less competitive phrases I am not so sure. What do you think?

Do you think Google has a cap on the number of times it is used?… I am not so sure!
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Old 06-23-2006, 07:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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KWD is irrelevant.
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Old 06-23-2006, 10:01 AM   #3 (permalink)
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JohnScott, are the only things you put weight on from google links and the title tag? or are there are things that take part in the rankings?
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Old 06-23-2006, 10:06 AM   #4 (permalink)
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You link profile is the biggest part of it. Then there is page titles, internal linking, etc. But keyword density isn't an issue.
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Old 06-23-2006, 10:29 AM   #5 (permalink)
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so what is everything that you have identified that affects it then, if you are so sure KW density does not?
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Old 06-23-2006, 11:11 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I think keyword density only matters if your keyword stuffing. If you get your density to high you could draw a penalty in Google. Write content for a person visiting the site and not a spider and you will be just fine.
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so what is everything that you have identified that affects it

You want me to write a book? Google claims that over 200 factors are used to determine rankings.

I'm sure KWD is one of those, but it plays such a tiny role that it might as well not even be a factor.
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KWD is irrelevant.
I think KWD is somewhat important
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Old 06-26-2006, 03:09 PM   #10 (permalink)
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It's really just like John said. Google claims to evaluate over 200 factors when determining where you site ranks. And I'm sure KWD is one of them. However most of those 200 factors will be minor and trying to look for a perfect KWD is kind of pointless. There are much better ways to spend your time.

When I write anything on my site I write it for my visitors. If it reads well for them I've use exactly the right amount of keywords.

I think Google has also gotten better at determing words that are related to each other and you may find you'll rank better if you use a variety of synonyms than using the same keyword over and over again.

Yes KWD is going to be a factor in ranking, but will adding one or two extra keywords on your page have much affect. Most likely it won't. You're not going to find a perfect KWD for any page so it's best not to worry about it and focus on other things like links that will have more impact.
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I think KWD is somewhat important
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=computers

Probably the most competitive search term out there, and most of those pages don't even have the keyword on the page. 0% KWD.

I know it's hard for people to accept, but Google has been an anchor text search engine for pretty much from the beginning. Talking up KWD is peeing into the wind.
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Old 06-27-2006, 08:53 AM   #12 (permalink)
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The keyword is right in the Title Tag for Dell and also in the description. Does that not count for KWD?
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I know it's hard for people to accept, but Google has been an anchor text search engine for pretty much from the beginning. Talking up KWD is peeing into the wind.
John you know I know that but I am on about less competitive words or more specific phrases! It may in fact be an influential factor rather than an insignificant one that I used to think it was. But I could be wrong and indeed John yours makes more logical sense to me and Google has always been logical too.
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The keyword is right in the Title Tag for Dell and also in the description. Does that not count for KWD?
KWD usually refers to the on-page text, but some people do include occurences of keywords in the meta tags and in ALT text, etc, when calculating KWD.
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OK had this come through my email from a very trustworthy and knowledgeable individual, so i've copied and pasted it onto here, perhaps it will help

Keyword density died with the dinosaurs. If you're reading about keyword density in search engine marketing, you're reading outdated or unprofessional material. The only people who are concerned about keyword density in today's SEO world are scammers and incompetents and newcomers.

It's forgivable to be new to the search engine marketing field and be asking about keyword density, but if you've been around the search engine optimization community for a few months, you should be reasonably assured by now that the search engines don't pay attention to it.

What you want to look at in your Web copy is how natural the language appears to be. You don't want to repeat your keywords endlessly, but you do want to work them into the text of your content so that keyword density becomes irrelevant. It's not about what percentage of the text is comprised of your selected keywords, but it's about how important you show your keywords to be.

Keyword density is just one of today's Seo Myths and you can safely ignore any articles, tutorials, FAQs, and forum discussions where people talk about keyword density in a positive, favorable way and act like it is important to search engine optimization.

Search engine marketing is not about keywords. It's about creating good, useful content that is accessible and indexable.





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