Google Killer

wileynet · 08-29-2006, 05:34 PM

http://websearch.alexa.com

I can see a day when search engines are as common as registrars. When google is "just another search engine". I'm working with this beta and I think being "owned" by 1 search engine will become a thing of the past.

What are your thoughts. They are opening up their API to the public. This may be more of a developers thread but if you check out the site you can still see the possibilities. If you haven't heard of Alexa you probably will be in the near future...

Marketing Guy · 08-29-2006, 09:12 PM

Directories are 10 a penny and yet Yahoo, DMOZ, Business.com et all are still held in high regard. MSN chucked millions of dollars at search and still are playing catch up in terms of market share. Google will be fine for a while.

More likely the war for market share will move onto desktop / mobile / browsers / homepages rather than their actual www location, but the big players will still be there powering most searches.

wileynet · 08-30-2006, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Marketing Guy

Directories are 10 a penny and yet Yahoo, DMOZ, Business.com et all are still held in high regard. MSN chucked millions of dollars at search and still are playing catch up in terms of market share. Google will be fine for a while.

More likely the war for market share will move onto desktop / mobile / browsers / homepages rather than their actual www location, but the big players will still be there powering most searches.

did you click the link in my post? You missed a lot ! You sound like like "business as usual" and it is most clearly not.

Marketing Guy · 08-30-2006, 06:15 PM

It's no different than any other content provider. It's not going to change shit. Sure, people may give it a shot and many will no doubt produce quality sites around it or by integrating it. But many, many more will slap it in and leave it to rot, just like discussion forums, blogs, other CMS's, news feeds, Spamsense, blah blah blah.

It's a marketing move by Alexa to plus sell their bog standard data offerings - top sites, movers and shakers, etc, in an effort to try and raise their pretty low reputation in the webmaster community.

People don't stop going to Starbucks just because McDonalds offer coffee (or their local cafe, or their local shop, etc). People go with what they are used to or what is convienent.

I will admit that there's no doubt that a handful of sites that will make good use of this API and that will in turn help raise the Alexa name within the webmaster community, but it's by no means a Google killer, and IMO will just lead to a crap load of low quality sites messing around with trying to find a quick way to create content / features for their site.

Adsense 2.0!

Feel free to convince me otherwise but the examples they list of the site are at best very niche and will in no way offer any appeal to a mass market. If you are in beta then perhaps you can give some examples that may actually be useful on a larger scale?

wileynet · 08-31-2006, 02:42 PM

I agree a lot with what you posted BUT ...They said the SAME thing about google when it came out. Maybe it won't be Alexa, but I do think this would be the next step in search engine evolution where everyone's a search engine just like "everyone's" a registrar. Maybe you don't recall but Network Solutions used to be god in that dept. Just like google is now ...

Marketing Guy · 08-31-2006, 04:52 PM

I can definitely see your point of view - I just think Google have a much stronger market grasp, and regardless, users' habits won't die quite that hard. Maybe Google will screw up and competitors will over-run the market, but I think they're pretty secure right now.

soniqhost.com · 09-01-2006, 12:52 AM

The difference between registrars and search engines that anyone can become a registrar without much technical resources while to become a leader in search you need a technical advantage.

wileynet · 09-01-2006, 10:37 AM

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The difference between registrars and search engines that anyone can become a registrar without much technical resources while to become a leader in search you need a technical advantage.

Wow, if all you needed was a technical advantage, everyone would have a search engine...

hence...
http://websearch.alexa.com. Download the PDF and read it.

Good marketing and $$$ couldn't hurt either.

soniqhost.com · 09-01-2006, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by wileynet

Wow, if all you needed was a technical advantage, everyone would have a search engine...

hence...
http://websearch.alexa.com. Download the PDF and read it.

Good marketing and $$$ couldn't hurt either.

Its not easy to develop the technology that makes you a leader in search, look at all the money and resources Microsoft has thrown at their search engine and they are still in third place. What I think you'll see a lot of is little googles instead of one google which is a search engine for everything I believe you'll see a bunch of little search engines that focus and excel on one field whether it be photos or videos or even web hosting

wileynet · 09-01-2006, 11:41 AM

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Its not easy to develop the technology that makes you a leader in search, look at all the money and resources Microsoft has thrown at their search engine and they are still in third place.

Microsoft isn't a search engine...( not to mention the fact that 3rd place isn't a bad place to be when there are only 3 of you in the race, let's face it if your not yahoo, google, msn your nobody at this point ) they don't live eat and breath search engine algorithms like google does. Also, as far as I am concerned googles new algorithm is just as effective as the last one and yahoo before that ...

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What I think you'll see a lot of is little googles instead of one google which is a search engine for everything I believe you'll see a bunch of little search engines that focus and excel on one field whether it be photos or videos or even web hosting

Hi, welcome to the conversation.That is exactly what I'm talking about in this thread and is what Alexa is trying to do. They are providing the technology and infrastructure for small "niche" search engines. I also said if it wasn't Alexa it would be someone else...

I'm glad your finally getting it.

soniqhost.com · 09-01-2006, 01:04 PM

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Microsoft isn't a search engine...( not to mention the fact that 3rd place isn't a bad place to be when there are only 3 of you in the race, let's face it if your not yahoo, google, msn your nobody at this point ) they don't live eat and breath search engine algorithms like google does. Also, as far as I am concerned googles new algorithm is just as effective as the last one and yahoo before that ...

Microsoft owns MSN which is a search engine which is what I was talking about.

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Originally Posted by wileynet

Hi, welcome to the conversation.That is exactly what I'm talking about in this thread and is what Alexa is trying to do. They are providing the technology and infrastructure for small "niche" search engines. I also said if it wasn't Alexa it would be someone else...

I'm glad your finally getting it.

Sorry I thought you were talking about creating a general search engine like google

wileynet · 09-01-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by soniqhost.com

Microsoft owns MSN which is a search engine which is what I was talking about.

I see, what I'm saying is Microsoft HAS a search engine. Google IS a search engine my point being of course google is going to "be better, try harder, devote more specialized qualified people to search tech..." ~just an oppinion

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Sorry I thought you were talking about creating a general search engine like google.

No prob... just glad you finally started to understand what I've been yapping about

... google is so engrained in us now. That's why it's hard to see any possibilities of any other search engine when you have google on the brain ...

thanks for the replies

JuggoPop · 09-01-2006, 02:06 PM

Can you explain the search vs registrar a little better? I think I missed how they relate.

Netsol was the king of registrars but was also the original domain name registrar established by the U.S. government, and, until April 1999, the only registrar for .com, .net, and .org domain names. They had no one to compete with...

now you can pay $35 with them or just a few bucks by using someone else.

Google has never been the "only one" and they also never charged any $35 a search... they have been free to use and with competition since day one.

The fact that they are king right now is a different example then how netsol became king... as well as the fall of netsol may just have something to do with their cost compaired to the rest... unlike google which i don't see the cost effecting the use compaired to other competition.

I'm not trying to start anything, i just want to understand your thinking on the subject better. thanks.

wileynet · 09-01-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JuggoPop

Can you explain the search vs registrar a little better? I think I missed how they relate.

Netsol was the king of registrars but was also the original domain name registrar established by the U.S. government, and, until April 1999, the only registrar for .com, .net, and .org domain names. They had no one to compete with...

now you can pay $35 with them or just a few bucks by using someone else.

Google has never been the "only one" and they also never charged any $35 a search... they have been free to use and with competition since day one.

The fact that they are king right now is a different example then how netsol became king... as well as the fall of netsol may just have something to do with their cost compaired to the rest... unlike google which i don't see the cost effecting the use compaired to other competition.

I'm not trying to start anything, i just want to understand your thinking on the subject better. thanks.

Obviously a registrar and a search engine are two totally seperate animals. I don't think I need to explain that.

In terms of my point ... I'm saying things change. This is something people don't like to hear let alone do. I was using that as an example of not only the standard at the time for that particular technology but also the "state of mind" it puts everyone in. Network solutions was the "standard" by different means then google obviously. In 99 who did you register with , network solutions ... in 06 who do you cater your pages to ... google. We live in a very different place now when we register domains ( we are not stuck with one choice ). I'm trying to show the similarity in how I think the search game is going to be played in the future as far as 1 guy holding all the cards...

When anyone had the ability to become a registrar , anyone did... ( godaddy, domainmonger, etc., etc. ... )

Services like the one I'm describing Alexa is beta testing will give anyone the ability to start a search engine...

JuggoPop · 09-01-2006, 02:45 PM

right... I got you now.

I guess my next question is why use A over B over C or D when they all give the same results?

And on another subject, I think Google has a nice grab in the market considering people say "Google It" insead of "Search the Internet"... that's only growing daily.

wileynet · 09-01-2006, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JuggoPop

Google has never been the "only one"

Obviously, they are just the only one that matters at this point in time. Before google it was yahoo.

wileynet · 09-01-2006, 02:49 PM

"GOOGLE IT ! "

Marketing GENIUS

JuggoPop · 09-01-2006, 02:50 PM

by "only one" in the place you quoted me from, i was referring to they were never the only one a consumer/web user had as an option. meaning if I wanted to search the internet, google was never my ONLY option.

wileynet · 09-01-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JuggoPop

by "only one" in the place you quoted me from, i was referring to they were never the only one a consumer/web user had as an option. meaning if I wanted to search the internet, google was never my ONLY option.

I see

JuggoPop · 09-01-2006, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wileynet

"GOOGLE IT ! "

Marketing GENIUS

you say that like there were campains and tv commercials telling you to "google it"... Yahoo was the one that tried to replace the word "search" and failed.