GoogleAds Click Thru Rate?

[Buskerdoo]

What is an acceptable CTR in GoogleAds? What is a great CTR?

[luchtzak]

The TOS (terms of service) of Google doesn't want that I discuss my CTR so I will not do so ....

[I, Brian]

I wouldn't really recommend the discussion of such information in public, as it can jeopordise your AdSense program and income.

In private is your own business, but in public would be a little irresponsible.

Discuss issues of AdSense by all means - but if anyone insists on trying to share AdSense info on this thread I'll have to lock it.

[hatchet]

So you're going to lock it if they talk about Adsense info? I say if they want to talk about it - it's their own deal.. talk away. We're not responsible to hold their hands. If they get booted it's not our fault.

[I, Brian]

Sure - and I know there's a preference to not lock threads on here. Point is as much about being responsible with the members. But I guess you're right - if, once warned, members want to act irresponsible then so be it. We can advise - nothing more.

[samer]

how about postin' in in the private seo forum ?

[I, Brian]

The private forum is simply off-limit to guests. I wouldn't rate that as particularly private for discussing such information.

[Buskerdoo]

Didn't even realize what I was asking. Sorry about that.

[John Scott]

Google emails us requesting that we remove threads when they find them in violation of Adsense TOS.

[compar]

Originally Posted by JohnScott

Google emails us requesting that we remove threads when they find them in violation of Adsense TOS.

Really? I'd tell them to go F**k themselves. If I want to share my business statistics with someone there is nobody on the face of the earth who can stop me.

This is pure bullshit. It is like trying to prohibit employees from telling each other how much money they make. You can't do it. And you shouldn't even try.

I've shared the details of my AdSense earning publicly and I'm still getting AdSense income every day.

I haven't used AdWord that much, but if someone wants to know my stats and experience I'll be happy to tell them and Google can go to hell. This is supposed to be a free country. Who the F**k do they think they are?

[sim]

HaHa, compar is much cooler then I thought.

[I, Brian]

Bad day, bob? And, no, it's not cool.

A big point has been made before that webmasters and search engines have no responsibility to one another. However, with programs such as AdSense a clear contractual obligation has been agreed to by both parties.

If people want full personal freedom of use of information, then don't sign contracts requiring the restrictive use of information - plain and simple.

And if you are going to break those terms, then at least don't flout them in public forums, recommeding others do the same. That would hardly be a responsible attitude towards business relationships.

[compar]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

If people want full personal freedom of use of information, then don't sign contracts requiring the restrictive use of information - plain and simple.

A contract isn't a contract until it is tested by the courts. All kinds of people write and others sign contracts that contain unenforcable if not illegal clauses.

Take for instance employment contracts that stipulate that a person cannot work in the same line of employment for some prolonged period after leaving the company. The courts have commonly thrown those out, on the basic principle that you cannot deprive an individual of the right to earn a living.

It is the same with personal statistics. They are my business. We have a principle called freedom of speech. My AdWord statistics do not fall under the auspices of national security, nor are they bound by offical secrets legislation.

I don't think that provision of the Google "contract" is worth the paper it is written on. That of course is another point. It isn't written on any page. No contract was signed. They took my money willingly and happily without a duly signed and witnessed agreement.

I'd love to see them try and enforce this in any court. One of the issues in a case like this is always to show damage. What possible damage could it do to Google if I tell you my click through rate?

I tell you the number of visitors to my site. I tell you how many sales I made last year. I tell you how many backlinks I have. Google makes this information available to everybody in the world with a browser. What possible reason can there be for prohibiting me from telling you my AdWord statistics?

[Huscy]

I'd love to see them try and enforce this in any court. One of the issues in a case like this is always to show damage. What possible damage could it do to Google if I tell you my click through rate?

well OK, you first

seriously though, if one case gets rejected it would open the floodgates and allow people discuss their stats in public... hell even the publicity it would generate might make it worth it - what can they do but kick you off?

has google ever given an explanation as to why we cant discuss details? it seems such a ridiculous clause, and is really relying on the general 'nice-guy' image google has at the minute - imagine if microsoft were to stop people discussing how many times their computer crashed, or told you you werent allowed to discuss how to speed up your computer with people!

[hatchet]

The difference here is that users of Google ads are getting paid.. whereas Microsoft users are getting charged.

[sim]

they have to pay for microsoft windows and microsoft products.

[Huscy]

Originally Posted by hatchet

The difference here is that users of Google ads are getting paid.. whereas Microsoft users are getting charged.

yeah, but not by google, google is just the midleman - the advertisers are paying the users, and google just takes a cut - but thats not the point, i only mentioned microsoft because they are the one that everyone knows

[altyfc]

Originally Posted by compar

Really? I'd tell them to go F**k themselves.

Do I take it that the last Google update wasn't so kind to you, Bob?

Aaron

[Pimpen 2010]

Ever since I filled out the tax form, I get less ppc ($)

[compar]

Originally Posted by altyfc

Do I take it that the last Google update wasn't so kind to you, Bob?

Aaron

No the current Google update has been very kind indeed. It's just a matter of personal freedom.

The Government doesn't tell me I can't talk about how much tax I pay. If I am a public company with subtantial expense or income from Google AdWord I am compelled by law to report this in my annual statement.

If I am a private individual earning money this way I have to report it in my tax statement. Google just can't make that demand, and it makes me mad to see a bunch of intelligent people being cowed by this type of thing.